Could not be

so far with the work, did around 2000 Kms between Interstate highway and secondary road in the New States while down there.

Regards

 

Did you break that rear wheel loose by playing the clutch a little and revving it up? Or just whacking the throttle from a standstill and letting clutch out like normal? I've got touring cams and believe it or not, I can't get that tire to break loose unless I rev it up and dump the clutch. Either my tire is super grippy and hooks up great, or...? Lol. But ya, if I just pin it from a standstill, she launches and doesn't spin the tire at all.

No clutch, was just coming out of the parking lot and hit it before I was completely straightened up, I stayed on it and the e3 hooked up pretty fast. Point is I did the same thing many times before and she never had enough grunt to break loose. I have never had it break loose on good pavement when rolling straight on.

 

After six pages of posts, is anyone going to point out that it could void the warranty?

With that said, I've never met a person who did this upgrade who regretted it.

 

No cons except for the IAV, it causes more problems than it cures IMHO.

This is just my experience but I have had absolutely no issues after installing the IAV!
Cheers

 

After six pages of posts, is anyone going to point out that it could void the warranty?

No.

 

After six pages of posts, is anyone going to point out that it could void the warranty?

With that said, I've never met a person who did this upgrade who regretted it.

Go to the last post on page 2 of this thread.
I also know a Victory owner locally who had the cams done and he also regretted having them done. So that is two people right there.
I am sure there are more out there who if they had it to over again or do another bike in the future would pass.
Why is it you guys who have the cams think everyone else has to buy the cams? Believe it or not there are thousands of Victory riders out there who are very happy with their Victory motorcycle and do not have cams.
I would venture to bet that those with aftermarket cams are just a small minority verse the entire Victory family of riders.
The fact is you can do a few other upgrades that will make these bikes scream as well without having to change the cams and many people would be very happy without cams just like you guys are happy with your cams.

 

Why is it you guys who have the cams think everyone else has to buy the cams? Believe it or not there are thousands of Victory riders out there who are very happy with their Victory motorcycle and do not have cams.
I would venture to bet that those with aftermarket cams are just a small minority verse the entire Victory family of riders.
The fact is you can do a few other upgrades that will make these bikes scream as well without having to change the cams and many people would be very happy without cams just like you guys are happy with your cams.

One, we don't think everyone else has to buy cams. Why is it that you guys that don't have the cams think no one else should buy them??? The truth, the proven facts are that you can not do fewer upgrades that will make these bikes scream as well. Been there done that. It's just a false statement. In this thread the OP asked a question and several of us gave honest answers and some gave erroneous answers. So some of us replied to the erroneous answers. The OP can take his answer first hand from guys who have already done it, like I did when I was doing my research, or he can listen to a guy on the internet who knows a guy who said something different. If you are happy with the way your bike runs without a cam upgrade, like I'm sure thousands of other Victory riders are...that's awesome, I'm happy for you. But if someone creates a thread wanting to know the downside of doing the job and someone posts downsides that I know to be false, I will say so.

 

The fact is you can do a few other upgrades that will make these bikes scream as well without having to change the cams and many people would be very happy without cams just like you guys are happy with your cams.

I was very happy with my scoot without cams, but with cams I am happier.

The op asked a question to those of us with cams, many of us answered, those without cams gave their opinions. I don't think he asked for opinions.

 

The op asked a question to those of us with cams, many of us answered, those without cams gave their opinions. I don't think he asked for opinions.

Who cares...
This is an excellent thread!

 

One, we don't think everyone else has to buy cams. Why is it that you guys that don't have the cams think no one else should buy them??? The truth, the proven facts are that you can not do fewer upgrades that will make these bikes scream as well. Been there done that. It's just a false statement. In this thread the OP asked a question and several of us gave honest answers and some gave erroneous answers. So some of us replied to the erroneous answers. The OP can take his answer first hand from guys who have already done it, like I did when I was doing my research, or he can listen to a guy on the internet who knows a guy who said something different. If you are happy with the way your bike runs without a cam upgrade, like I'm sure thousands of other Victory riders are...that's awesome, I'm happy for you. But if someone creates a thread wanting to know the downside of doing the job and someone posts downsides that I know to be false, I will say so.

I get it everyone is a liar except those who have cams.
Here is a fact for you from a dyno sheet in front of me right now that compares a cammed Victory CC to my CCT without cams.
Torque on my bike reaches 100 foot pounds at 2450 rpms while the torque on the cammed Victory reaches 100 foot pounds at 2650, that is 200 rpms later and not where I cruise at in the rpm range.
Both bikes were done on the same dyno in the same shop.
That is a fact.

 

If a guy doesn't want to install cams, doesn't feel he needs a performance increase, doesn't think it's worth the cost, or whatever else his reasons maybe, GREAT!!!! He doesn't have to justify his choices to me or anyone else...but let's keep our feet on the ground.
With the DR cams, the very low end is pretty much unchanged... unless the exhaust is really free-flowing and/or the cats are out.Now with the touring cams you will sacrifice a little on thebottom for that 119/120 HP potential upstairs. That said, any set-up can be tweaked to have more grunt, but it will costsomething... everything is a compromise.
If you choose not to get cams, don't do it for fear of losing torque. Choose your cams wisely and discuss your wants/needs with the tuner of your choice.
Oh, and while I'm typing... If a bike goes from 95/108 to 114/114and the owner doesn't think it was worth the $1200 or whatever... Maybe he should have done more research into exactly what he was getting. Those numbers don't sound like a lot of increases... but it's all the way across the tach and to a higher RPM than before... and being that the road 'sees' the power over time... it's a big difference in the bike. It'd be hard to marginalize it. However, if you were expecting it to turn into a ZX-14, you'll be disappointed.
There are a whole bunch of Victory owners with the cams... mostly the VM-1-DRs. Out of the 22 appointments when Kyle was here how many of those bikes didn't have cams installed? 4 or 5? Not sure what that tells us, but it says something...How many did he install at Myrtle Beach? How many at Daytona? How many at Helen? Lloydz can't keep them in stock... Must be something good about them. I would bet a very small percentage of those with cams drag race their bikes... so camsare not just for the racing types.

See half....... you can be succinct if you try. and not a "Harley" comment in sight!

 

Go to the last post on page 2 of this thread.
I also know a Victory owner locally who had the cams done and he also regretted having them done. So that is two people right there.
I am sure there are more out there who if they had it to over again or do another bike in the future would pass.
Why is it you guys who have the cams think everyone else has to buy the cams? Believe it or not there are thousands of Victory riders out there who are very happy with their Victory motorcycle and do not have cams.
I would venture to bet that those with aftermarket cams are just a small minority verse the entire Victory family of riders.
The fact is you can do a few other upgrades that will make these bikes scream as well without having to change the cams and many people would be very happy without cams just like you guys are happy with your cams.

Exactly Red. A fully loaded touring mount might not want to sacrafice bottom end. I would like to see a grind that helped the bottom end of the Victory CCT without being told to buy a harley!

 

Cams, to quote Rylan "If I had a nickle for everytime I talked to a guy aboput cams..." I was one of those guys. 1800 CC 106 CID should make a metric measurement full of torques and power. OEM it does ok however, (pause for effect).

Installing Touring cams on my 13 XCT was the best thing I could have done for her. I am not one to worry about warentee, I wanted the performance for the way Iride. If you are the typ eof rider that run 1-2000 miles a year the expense is mostlikely not justified. Fisrt year on my Vic I totalled 22K, this year I will run at least that many.

Cams and the associated air and tuner makes the bike 1) quieter, 2)much more responsive, 3) easier to ride, one up/two up/two up with the trailer.

Down side, going to lay out some coin., Have it dyno tuned by one of the top Vic guys, LLoyd/Rylan/Kyle. when you get back on to ride you will nto belive it is the same bike. Cold weather, you will need just a bit of throttle to start her. once warmmed up it is a smile a mile.

 

PS, there is something nice about loafing along in 6th at 1800 rpm, quiet as a chruch mouse getting 55MPG on the insta MGP meter. A slow roll of the wrist and you are at 2500 and 68 MPH with little to no complaint from your power plant.

I regually run below 3000 rpm, cruise at 2250 to 2500. Mileage is good 42+ power is great! heat is much lower than stock. And while it is not a sport bike it is not a dog either.

A set of Baffles droped into the D&D give me some real punch down low. and quiet power too.

 

I get it everyone is a liar except those who have cams.
Here is a fact for you from a dyno sheet in front of me right now that compares a cammed Victory CC to my CCT without cams.
Torque on my bike reaches 100 foot pounds at 2450 rpms while the torque on the cammed Victory reaches 100 foot pounds at 2650, that is 200 rpms later and not where I cruise at in the rpm range.
Both bikes were done on the same dyno in the same shop.
That is a fact.

Awesome. Now ride both bikes. I have ridden my own bikes under several different configurations, that is a fact. I've done the intake + pipes without cams, Victory S3 cams, and Lloyd's cams, another fact. If you are cruising along at 65, come up behind a truck hauling cows dripping poop and piss out the back the one with cams gets around the truck faster than the one without even though the one without reaches 100 ft-lbs 200 rpm's sooner. Another fact. Some more fun facts: When your bike and the cammed XC where run on the same dyno, on the same day (with the same pipes right?) what you see at the left side of the graph is not what you get real world riding. The dyno operator snaps the throttle from idle to wide open to get as much info as he can recorded and measured against his last adjustment. This isn't how we ride. If you do a wide open throttle roll on that 200 rpm's is gone in the blink of an eye, a fraction of a second. And the cammed bike is walking away from the non-cammed bike. So yeah, you have a piece of paper that says your bike has more low end torque. Acceleration is torque applied over distance. Over the distance it takes to pass that truck the question left is will you be looking at the cammed bike's tail light? Or will you be too focused on the poop falling off the trailer to notice? Me I live this actual scenario out here in farm country. I see livestock trucks and I drop it to 3rd or 4th and check out with 120 ft-lbs that holds steady instead of 97 ft-lbs and falling. Sorry to play the dick on the internet, but theses are the facts: Lloyd's cams = more power, faster bike, period. Anyone claiming their bike without has more take off power with better low end torque...yep, that's a lie.

 

Exactly Red. A fully loaded touring mount might not want to sacrafice bottom end. I would like to see a grind that helped the bottom end of the Victory CCT without being told to buy a harley!

What you may want to consider instead of a cam grind is an exhaust. Leave the stock exhaust in place and you will have excellent bottom end "grunt". Lots of guys are choosing their pipe based on sound and not taking into consideration the more open it is the more low end they lose. It sounds badass, and it makes a higher peak hp #, but that is also what's responsible for a lot of any low end loss. Or, add cone baffles to an open exhaust and that creates low end gains as well. Lloyd's VM-1 grind is actually a very mild grind. And, it is opening the valve just as much more at 2000 rpm's as it is at 4000 rpm's. If you really want to see huge low end #'s on a dyno sheet, then tell this to the guy doing the install and tune. He will recommend the proper set-up (exhaust) to achieve it.

 

There are a whole bunch of Victory owners with the cams... mostly the VM-1-DRs. Out of the 22 appointments when Kyle was here how many of those bikes didn't have cams installed? 4 or 5? Not sure what that tells us, but it says something...How many did he install at Myrtle Beach? How many at Daytona? How many at Helen? Lloydz can't keep them in stock... Must be something good about them. I would bet a very small percentage of those with cams drag race their bikes... so camsare not just for the racing types.

In Helen, Kyle and Lloyd had to scramble a little bit to get on the phone and get cams overnighted for Saturday installs.. Cam install requests (mainly VM1-DR's) were falling out of the trees. Everybody and their brother wanted cams done. VM1-DR's were flowing like wine.

As soon as I went for a ride the next day pulling up through the sweet mountain curvey's down there, I found out why. Was the bike a land-based rocket-ship? Not by a long shot.. But she just wanted to lean more and grab more throttle pulling up through those curves. She simply wanted to run and wasn't fighting herself. It's like $2000 spent on a completely different bike. Subtle yet dramatic improvement when a Vic runs 'correctly'. Even the guys only doing PCV's, intakes, wheel and tune without the cams were super pleased by finally their scoot running as it should. One friend of mine pulled 116ft-lbs without VM1's.. Bastard! He won the engine lottery with that motor in his CCT. I still give him grief about it. hehe

 

Tri-Ovals and VM-1s. Graph looks like a tabletop, don't it? 117/115 is not too shabby. 100 Ft-lbs at 2525 and 100 HP at 4600.

 

Tri-Ovals and VM-1s. Graph looks like a tabletop, don't it? 117/115 is not too shabby. 100 Ft-lbs at 2525 and 100 HP at 4600.

The Tri-Ovals have a really flat torque curve, but don't have the sound that I like or that most forum members like either.

 

Tri-Ovals and VM-1s. Graph looks like a tabletop, don't it? 117/115 is not too shabby. 100 Ft-lbs at 2525 and 100 HP at 4600.

My point exactly. Notice the Tri-Oval, which is quieter and more restrictive than the D&D, RPW, or Ness slip ons get to 100 ft-lbs sooner...And then this should lay to rest any claims of the cams causing a loss on the low end. This is a Vision stock in every other way except for VM-1 cams and a VFC-III. So if the cams cause a loss it'll show right? If anyone sees a low end loss on this graph they're delusional.

 

Wow, who would of thought this post would have went where it did? LOL. In any case, cams it is! Now which ones? Seeing all these parts sitting in the box on the counter is sad.

 

Tri-Ovals and VM-1s. Graph looks like a tabletop, don't it?

Yep.. Except I didn't pull so many ponies. Sure looks darn near identical though. Which worries me not.. I rarely make it to WOT. Have too much fun in mid-throttle.

 

What I find really funny is everyone trys to sell the Victory for being more powerful right off the showroom floor over the Harley Davidsons and how you don't have to go out and spend 3,000 to 5,000 dollars just to get to where Victory starts you off at.
Then you have the same group who went and got the cams and they then tell the rest of the Victory group that hey you have to get cams andit would bethe first thing I would do if I bought another Victory is get cams. Figure when you do the cams, exhaust, air filter, timing wheeland fuel controller you have just dumped 3,000 grand into the Victory.
It seems that there are many who want their cake and they want to eat it as well.
About the graphs, I notice that the tri-ovals do not get a lot of love from the group who pushes the cams because of the cost of the tri-ovals but here that same group is using dyno charts on a bike that had the tri-ovals to try and show that the cammed bikes are making 100 foot pounds of torque by 2550 rpms.
Funny how such an unloved product like the tri-ovals becomes the battle cry.
All I know is my stock cammed Victory gets to 100 foot pounds of torque quicker than did the cammed Victory that was put on the same dyno that my bike was on.
The big differences between that bike and mine are different aftermarket exhaust andI have a Dobeck AFR+ Gen4 and his has the PCV and he has the Lloydz cams. Both bikes have the Lloydz air filter andLloydz timing wheel.

 

""It seems that there are many who want their cake and they want to eat it as well."" Well hell yeah and I wouldnt mind seconds!

 

OK... I've had it...

What I find really funny is everyone trys to sell the Victory for being more powerful right off the showroom floor over the Harley Davidsons and how you don't have to go out and spend 3,000 to 5,000 dollars just to get to where Victory starts you off at.

What people ACTUALLY say is that a stock vic makes the same power as a stage 1 Harley.... and that a Vic will make120 HP with a stage 1 plus cams, and to get there with a Harley would be 3 times the money and the crank wouldn't survive it.

Then you have the same group who went and got the cams and they then tell the rest of the Victory group that hey you have to get cams andit would bethe first thing I would do if I bought another Victory is get cams. Figure when you do the cams, exhaust, air filter, timing wheeland fuel controller you have just dumped 3,000 grand into the Victory.

Straw man argument. No one is saying "YOU MUST GET CAMS". What they are saying is that in their opinion it is a must have FOR THEM because THEY FEEL the cams make the bike run like it would if the EPA wasn't so strict on manufacturers.

About the graphs, I notice that the tri-ovals do not get a lot of love from the group who pushes the cams because of the cost of the tri-ovals but here that same group is using dyno charts on a bike that had the tri-ovals to try and show that the cammed bikes are making 100 foot pounds of torque by 2550 rpms.

Nope... The Tri-Oval graphs are used to show that the exhaust systems used will determine low end torque loss... and even WITHOUT cams the more open (louder) exhausts will lose low end and the cams are not the culprit.

Funny how such an unloved product like the tri-ovals becomes the battle cry.

Funny how some people's reality is 99% perception and 1% fact.

All I know is my stock cammed Victory gets to 100 foot pounds of torque quicker than did the cammed Victory that was put on the same dyno that my bike was on..... The big differences between that bike and mine are different aftermarket exhaust andI have a Dobeck AFR+ Gen4 and his has the PCV and he has the Lloydz cams. Both bikes have the Lloydz air filter andLloydz timing wheel.

The words in bold ruin your argument... Which is the point more than one of us has tried to make. Not a fair comparison.
Map out the 2 graphs you are citing for comparison:
NO CAMS:
2000 rpm = ___ ft-lbs
2500 rpm = ___ ft-lbs
3000 rpm = ___ ft-lbs
3500 rpm = ___ ft-lbs
4000 rpm = ___ ft-lbs
4500 rpm = ___ ft-lbs
5000 rpm = ___ ft-lbs
5500 rpm = ___ ft-lbs
6000 rpm = ___ ft-lbs
CAMS:
2000 rpm = ___ ft-lbs
2500 rpm = ___ ft-lbs
3000 rpm = ___ ft-lbs
3500 rpm = ___ ft-lbs
4000 rpm = ___ ft-lbs
4500 rpm = ___ ft-lbs
5000 rpm = ___ ft-lbs
5500 rpm = ___ ft-lbs
6000 rpm = ___ ft-lbs
Even though we are comparing an apple and an orange, I would like to make a point.