[AF-Rider]

I just got aLloyds Air Filter, timing wheel, idle air valve & PCV in the mail & want toorder cams before installing & having it dyno'd. Right now I havethe Tri-ovals with thestage 1.
I've read all the posts and know all the Pros to the things I'm about to have installed but was wondering if there were any Cons? I know there's the possibility of voiding my warranty but is there anything else? Hard starting, etc.?

 

[iabob]

Nope. Find me one guy who regrets getting cams and that'll be a first.

 

[SocialMisfit]

The only con, getting your Harley buddies to believe that your bike makes that power, and you never got into any internals...just removed a couple covers...
OH...and not posting a graph afterward is strongly frowned upon...
I feel like cams are the pot of Vic performance....it's the gateway to much, much harder performance addiction...

 

[bikendad]

No cons except for the IAV, it causes more problems than it cures IMHO.

 

[Ghostrider25]

I feel like cams are the pot of Vic performance....it's the gateway to much, much harder performance addiction...

Pot is NOT a gateway drug!!

 

[DSmith]

If you can call it a con, a little less mpg's for me, no regrets though. I will do it again on every vic I own.

 

[Jchris58]

There is no downside. Makes the bike run like it should have from the factory. Definitely get a good dyno tune.

 

[Pelz]

The air filter and cams will give you more intake noise, but it is well worth it. My mileage stayed the same.

 

[Thumper]

You might consider Lloyds rev extender modification. It makes a tremendous difference in top end power. I've been told that you can program the PC V to extend your revs but I don't have any firsthand knowledge as to whether that is possible.

 

[Keith Grey]

Pot is NOT a gateway drug!!

Maybe, I can't remember,,,,,anybody got some Funions?

 

[JayFL726]

Only Con I can think of is wishing I had done it sooner .. Starts just as Easy and Mileage has improved a little ..

 

[RedVic]

I just got aLloyds Air Filter, timing wheel, idle air valve & PCV in the mail & want toorder cams before installing & having it dyno'd. Right now I havethe Tri-ovals with thestage 1.
I've read all the posts and know all the Pros to the things I'm about to have installed but was wondering if there were any Cons? I know there's the possibility of voiding my warranty but is there anything else? Hard starting, etc.?

There are always some trade off some where with everything. I know a rider locally who had the cams done on his Cross Country and he was not impressed after getting them. He had a leaking head and Victory replaced the head under warranty and while the bike was torn down he decided to have the shop put in the Lloydz cams, Lloydz air filter, Lloydz timing wheeland the PCV.
So their are people who have done the cams and wish they had not. Remember only a very small faction of Victory riders even post on the forums and if you look at the different forums you will see the same names popping up at each forum for the most part.
As to the cons, from the dyno charts I have seen the cams are going to move your low end torque up little higher in the RPM range. That is the opposite of what I want so I have pretty much decided against changing out the cams.
It is hard to find a really good comparison because those who have done the cams have pretty much went from stock to maybe adding a set of pipes and an air filter then they jumped right into the cams with the fuel controller.
There are now several who have not gotten cams but have done pipes, air filter, timing wheeland a fuel controllerand have found that really wakes up the bottom end torque and the bike pulls like a freight train all with the stock cams.
So you might want to go in steps as you may end up very happy with the performancestopping just shy of the cams. There is nothing wrong with doing a good set of pipes an air filter, timing wheeland a good fuel controller as those are all items you would change to do the cams anyway.
My combination is:
1. D&D slip on unwrapped baffle exhaust
2. Lloydz air filter
3. Lloydz timing wheel
4. Victory heavy duty silicone plug wires
5. Dobeck AFR+ Gen4 fuel controller
This combination works very well together. I am very happy with the power of the bike as it pulls hard right off idle right up the rpm range.
I know there are also some who love their cams but ended up putting in an underdrive front pulley to get back the low end grunt. The only problem with the underdrive pulley is your rpms are now higher at all ranges and that is something I would not want myself.
My advice is to do this in stages because you may find that you are very happy with the bike without changing the cams but you always have the option of adding the cams if you want in the future. Everything I listed are items you will end up changing if you change the cams this just gets you most of the way there without doing the cams and you might just decide that is enough.

 

[Keith Grey]

There are always some trade off some where with everything. I know a rider locally who had the cams done on his Cross Country and he was not impressed after getting them. He had a leaking head and Victory replaced the head under warranty and while the bike was torn down he decided to have the shop put in the Lloydz cams, Lloydz air filter, Lloydz timing wheeland the PCV.
So their are people who have done the cams and wish they had not.

Not that I think doing things in stages is a bad idea, but I it will cost more money, and the Cams we add are fairly mild. So: 1. Not all Victory Authorized shops (or even most) know what they are doing with performance upgrades 2. Some things have no trade off, other than the cost. Please show me how you give up low end torque by adding torque across the rpm range. Provide examples of dynos to support your assertion. ( my examples are from Lloydz site and are both Visions) 3. Name 5, then name 1, who went to Rylan, Kyle, KevinX, or Lloydz shop for upgrades and regret the cams. Although there are a few vocal supporters, like me, look at the signature lines and you will see that the number of those with these simple performance upgrades are growing,,,,We Are Legion!,,,,,psych, couldn't resist. Kg

 

[RedVic]

I am not going to get into an argument with you over this, but just moving up 150 rpms before the torque starts to come on at the low end can make a big difference in how the bike feels when taking off from a stop.
I get it you guys that have went and spent the moeny on the cams like them, great but that does not mean that others won't be happy without changing the cams. For me I am very happy with the power of my Victory, the damn thing will quickly get me to speeds that can land me jail in no time, it is not like these Victorys are yugos that can't get out of there own way.
Heck look at how much money a Harley rider has to spend on his brand new 103 just to get to the stock performance of a Victory and then just a few minor upgrades to the Victory and you blow away the Harley who just poured in $5,000 dollars just to catch up to a Victory's stock performance.

 

[bikerdeano]

Thanks for starting this thread!
I can't wait to get the Vic Shop to do my bike.

 

[babs]

In my humble opinion, regardless the bike or owner, I find at the bare minimum for any Victory, VM1 cams, intake, exhaust, timing wheel and PCV, installed by and dyno tuned by one of four guru's... Is a required must do mod to make the bike run as it should. In my opinion, the bike should run like this from the factory, and could if the motorcycle manufacturers had free reign over their tuning for production bikes, but they do not. Therefore, thank Goodness Lloyd designed the grinds and supplies the products, and those four mentioned greats can properly cure what a stock Victory is deseased with.

^ My outspokenness in support and encouragement of this mod I consider the real Vic stage 1.

I had a two year warranty by the way.. Fooey! Dealer wanted to extend it.. I said why? I fully intend to void it. LOL!

 

[Splinter]

Cons? Nope.

 

[JayFL726]

Can understand some happy with the Bike as is including Bone Stock if your preference .. But have yet to see one post where one regrets adding cam power ..

 

[RedVic]

Can understand some happy with the Bike as is including Bone Stock if your preference .. But have yet to see one post where one regrets adding cam power ..

Only a small percentage of Victory riders visit forums. So that is really a bad measure. Look 99% of the people are going to like the cams no one questions that, but I know of one person where I live who did have the cams installed and he was not impressed and wished he has not changed out the cames.
So yes there are some who regret doing it.
That does not make them wrong and you right nor does it make them right and you wrong. I see in another postthe installer has already been attcked about this one person not liking the cams but I seen the dyno sheet from that bike and it matches all the other dyno sheets I have seen so there was nothing wrong with the install or the tune. I hate to break it to you guys but there are more then four people who can work on and tune these bikes.
But back to answering your post yes I have talked to and seen the bike as well as the dyno sheet on it and that owner regrets getting the cams.

 

[Gossamer]

Nope. Find me one guy who regrets getting cams and that'll be a first.

I wouldn't put cams in my bike again if I had the choice.
I didn't find the improvements worth the cost.
I'd done Lloyds cams, filter, timing wheel, unlocked ECU, had the VFC3, upgraded to PC-V with A/T option.
Haven't dynoed with all the options installed probably in the 115 range for power/torque from all the results I've seen everyone else come back with similar mods.
A couple of grand into it, doesn't give me the thrill I was hoping for. A turbo, super charger, big bore kit might but not interested in another 5-8,000 in mods.
My bike also returns mid 30's fuel economy day to day driving, upper 30's all highway. So i'm not even getting the mileage some claim. Mine dropped off. The cams were added when my bike had a few thousand on it in 2012. Now sitting at 33,000+ so it's not i'm constantly flogging it.