IT HAPPENED! Elon Musk FINALLY Reveals New Tesla Motorbike!
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If only I could afford 21,5000 dollars
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Everything electric is for the ************. How about us cruiser bagger fans.
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Someone at the company's been hitting the crack pipe again, weight vs range is still the biggest issue for electric motorcycles so are limited in size and only to city use for meow.
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As a fan of the fun that is electric propulsion I have a couple thoughts on this. There is a mechanical and a price hurdle to making an electric bagger viable. If we start with something like a Zero or the new Del Mar, something small and light doesn't require a lot of battery to get over 100 miles of range, which is plenty for a bike that replaces basic transportation. But a heavy bagger is going to need a lot more battery just to get that same 100 miles, and then it's going to need a bunch more to get to something acceptable to a bagger buyer, which is probably 250 miles, preferably 300. Which add a lot of weight. And more importantly adds a lot of cost. So electric works well for some things, commuter bikes and seriously fast cars. But not so well for other things, like baggers or trucks that need to tow.
The interesting thing is there is a lot going on with batteries today, much further along than just theory and lab tests. So in the future maybe…But for now it just isn't a one size fits all market.
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Definitely makes sense Bob. My Harley Shop mechanic buddy tells me in 2 years a bagger electric will be out, but he gets a lot wrong. I would bet around here the average trip by bagger riders, even if all day is in the 50 to 70 mile range, and maybe a lot less. Maybe there is a potential bagger market for this, especially a mid size bagger.
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My thought also. There's room for bigger batteries ? Baggers are the chosen ride in USA. So if HD makes an Electric bagger will it be called …… wait for it ………. The Electric Glide ?…………. Oh yeah original just like the Ford Lightning.
Here's the future of bike names.
Suzuki Shocker
Kawasaki Kilowatt
Honda Gold Ring
CanAm Connector
Ducati Duracell
Indian Resistor
Ok I'll stop now……..:chair1:
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My E bike, bicycle, is rated for 45 miles, and that's with all pedal assist. Best I got is 35.5 miles and that includes alot of long downhill. I ride basically a flat route to swimming pool and I'll get 25 miles and pedaling hard at 17mph. Bike is weighing in with accessories at around 80lbs, then me at man size. If straight throttle 11 miles at best on flat ground. Around here with the mountains it drains these batteries fast. A simple trip to Las Cruces is a 160 miles, closest next town with real amenities, and with all the inclines I'd need a 300 mile range. Then of course highway speeds wipe them out faster. Graphine batteries will be much better when developed. And of course if you buy stuff or a passenger? Long ways away I think. But I do love the torque and ride itself.
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Beer....BEER...alcohol abuse.....then again dead PBR would not be ....abuse..... ;-)
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Natural progression will run through midsize into full sizer. We will easily burn 1 tank a day & some days will have to refuel twice on this side of Ohio. Is a difference between going for a ride ie most people ride to dinner, attraction or other specific Galla's where your only gone for few hours - half day like on workdays and going riding on a day off, or, as I keep tellin the wife, yes, I promise, gas, P & food are all only 10 more miles up the road
. Granted, we're 30 miles from any decent sized town and I'm trying to avoid most of them for first 2-3 hours until really need stuff.
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Maybe the solution for big baggers is that you just need pedal assist ...
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I think it's kind of fun just to sit back and watch the market evolve. Not that long ago brands that were dipping their toes or feet into the electric motorcycle game seemed squarely focused on sport bikes, as in Victory Empulse TT. On paper it makes sense cause you can get massive power out of a small electric motor. Seems exactly what the sport bike world wants. But similar to the bagger dilemma, how much battery do you have to add to get sufficient range? Put enough battery in there for 200 miles of range and now the bike is too heavy and too expensive. Make it crazy fast, light, and affordable…and it only has 50 miles of range. So market evolution is happening where we don't see electrics replacing gas in more traditional models. Not yet anyway. Where they really shine, and are selling like hot cakes is bikes that blur the lines between bicycle, moped, and scooter. Something a kid doesn't need a license for, can pull the battery and charge it in his apartment or at work, is affordable, and oh yeah happens to be a lot of fun. The market is finding its own way even if it's not what people predicted or bet on.
Speaking of markets evolving, I think expectations for range and recharging are evolving too. A few years ago when we first started talking about electric cars and bikes it was "the tech just isn't there yet. It needs to go 400 miles and recharge in ten minutes before I'd even consider it." But now as people get a bit more accustomed to something different it's more like, "wait, why am I spending thousands of dollars on enough batteries to go 400 miles when I never use them?" Or, " why do I need to spend money on high speed charging when I wake up every morning with a full charge from a 110 outlet?" There are always exceptions to rules and no two households have the same needs, but thoughts and expectations are also evolving. If my household only had one car, a 300 mile range with high speed charging capabilities might be reassuring. But I wouldn't need to duplicate that for a second car. Same for bikes.
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