[phoenix9]

I just went and read the comments....very funny stuff. I loved how the "organizer" stated that there was a message team that was meeting to figure out what their message was....and that it would be revealed the following morning. Like I said, you really can't make this stuff up.

 

[NorCal]

The cooments below the video were even better then the video...lol

[video]1468[/video]

 

[ddawg]

Let's look at the difference between the Tea Party & the Occupy Wall St. folks. Tea Party - 1. Get a permit, show up, hold their rally, pick up their trash & leave. No arrests. Break no laws. 2. Message? Ask any Tea Party member & they will say - A. Lower taxes. B. Smaller government. C. Less intrusive government, more freedom. D. Read & follow the U.S. Constitution. Referred to throughout the day @ rally. Note: Despised by Nancy Pelosi, Pres. Obama, Liberals, and Biggie Flea Party - 1. Show up & occupy both private property & public property. 2. Uninate and defecate on private & public property. 3. Message - A. Others are greedy. B. Bigger government needed. C. Not sure what our message is - figuring it out. D. Peace - for everyone. E. I'm an Anarchist, Socialist, Communist, Union Member, Marxist, Liberal. F. I answered an Ad on Craigslist & am getting paid $600 p/ week to be here. G. Hurt local businesses by disrupting customers. H. Refuse to leave when the Mayor, Police, and property owner ask them to. I. Higher taxes - on the other guy - cause I'm not working. J. Attack and fight with the police. K. We want more stuff for us - guaranteed by bigger govt. L. Violence is on the table if we don't get our way - revolution. M. We are just like the Tea Party - really!!!!! Note: Supported by Nancy Pelosi, Pres. Obama, Liberals and Biggie P.S. Not once - at any of the "Occupy" rallies has the U.S. Constitution been mentioned, read, referred to, or respected. Interesting.

 

[ddawg]

"The American Nazi Party likes what it sees. Today the American Nazi Party released a statement in support of Occupy Wall Street movement." and - Then there's this… "The Communist Party USA also supports the Obama-endorsed Occupy Wall Street Protests." From the CPUSA website: This is an exciting time! Thousands of mainly young people have been occupying Wall Street for three weeks already, and the "Occupy Movement" has spread to more than 200 other cities. On Oct. 6 the actions spread to our nation's capital. The Communist Party USA (CPUSA) will hold a national teleconference to discuss it: Arturo Cambron The Communist Party and the Occupy L.A. Movement Tuesday, October 11, 8 pm Eastern Teleconference number: 605-475-4850 (please note this is the corrected number. ignore previous.)

 

[satxron]

[video]1468[/video]

"Stop electing the same criminals every year" He hit that right on the head. Vote for anybody but a Republican or Democrat. Send a message at the voting booth.

 

[Bigfoot]

Perry raised $13.4 million of his $17.2 million from donors giving between $2,500 and $5,000. He only raised $698,820 from donors giving less than $200, which was 4 percent of his total contributions, the lowest percentage for any current presidential candidate. Plutocracy Phoenix, when they (all the startup 99% groups) get organized is when you should start paying attention. I would be real hesitant to laugh off the 99%. This is a real movement that has gone global.

 

[ddawg]

Perry raised $13.4 million of his $17.2 million from donors giving between $2,500 and $5,000. He only raised $698,820 from donors giving less than $200, which was 4 percent of his total contributions, the lowest percentage for any current presidential candidate. Plutocracy Phoenix, when they (all the startup 99% groups) get organized is when you should start paying attention. I would be real hesitant to laugh off the 99%. This is a real movement that has gone global.

Especially since the Communists, Socialists, George Soros & Biggie support it -there's no stopping it.

 

[ddawg]

A Democratic insider gives insight into Obama & how he is not working in a partisan way, real unemployment @ 20%, and the Stimulus package money disappeared into pockets of municipal unions. "The Exasperation of the Democratic Billionaire" October 15, 2011 Real-estate and newspaper mogul Mortimer Zuckerman voted for Obama but began seeing trouble as soon as the stimulus went into the pockets of municipal unions.. The Exasperation of the Democratic Billionaire Real-estate and newspaper mogul Mortimer Zuckerman voted for Obama but began seeing trouble as soon as the stimulus went into the pockets of municipal unions.. We are sitting on the 18th floor of a skyscraper the day after protesters have marched on the homes of other Manhattan billionaires. It may seem odd that most of the targeted rich people had nothing to do with creating the financial crisis. But as Mr. Zuckerman ponders the Occupy Wall Street movement, he concludes that "the door to it was opened by the Obama administration, going after the 'millionaires and billionaires' as if everybody is a millionaire and a billionaire and they didn't earn it. . . . To fan that flame of populist anger I think is very divisive and very dangerous for this country." This doesn't mean that Mr. Zuckerman opposes the protesters or questions their motives. When pressed, he concedes that the crowd in Lower Manhattan may include some full-time radicals, but he argues that the protesters are people with a legitimate grievance, as the country suffers high unemployment and stagnant middle-class incomes. It is a subject he has obviously studied at length, and he explains how the real unemployment rate is actually well above the official level of 9.1%, which only measures people who have applied for a job within the previous four weeks. In fact, he says, unemployment has even surged beyond the Department of Labor's "U-6" number of 16.5% that has received increasing attention lately because it includes people who have given up looking for work within the past year, plus people who have been cut back from full-time employees to part-timers. Mr. Zuckerman says that when you also consider the labor-force participation rate and the so-called "birth-death series" that measures business starts and failures, the real U.S. unemployment rate is now 20%. His voice rising with equal parts anger and sadness, he exclaims, "That's not America!" It certainly isn't the America that Mr. Zuckerman discovered when he moved south from Canada to study at Wharton and Harvard Law School, graduating from both in the early 1960s. He reports feeling immediately at home and says he never considered returning "because of the sheer openness and energy of life in America." The U.S. "has fundamentally great qualities," he says. "It's a society that welcomes talent, nourishes talent, admires talent . . . and rewards talent." But he sees "potentially catastrophic" political and fiscal problems. Mr. Zuckerman reports that when he was a young man, 50% of the top quartile of graduates from Canadian universities moved to the U.S. Now, he says, "I don't want my daughter telling me, 'Dad, I want to move back to Canada because that's the land of opportunity.'" Mr. Zuckerman's bearish outlook since 2006 has been good for his business. That's when he decided that there was a bubble in commercial real estate and his publicly traded real estate investment trust needed to sell some of its office buildings. 'We've had a strategy in our business of trying to have 'A' assets in 'A' locations. I think we had 126 buildings at that point and we came to the conclusion that 16 of them were either A assets in B locations or B assets in A locations, like 280 Park [Avenue in New York]-it was a great address but not a good building. So we sold. We got through 15 of the 16 and we raised in the range of four and a half billion dollars," he says. Once the downturn began, that cash pile helped him buy some famous properties at depressed prices, such as the General Motors building in New York and the John Hancock Tower in Boston. But he says his firm is still prepared for possible rough economic times ahead. "We're keeping it very liquid," he says, "because I don't know where this is going." Mr. Zuckerman maintains that America will solve its problems over the long haul-"I am not somebody who's pessimistic about this country. I have had a life that's been better than my fantasies," he says-but he's certainly pessimistic about the current administration. That began shortly after inauguration day in 2009. At that time he supported Mr. Obama's call for heavy spending on infrastructure. "But if you look at the make-up of the stimulus program," says Mr. Zuckerman, "roughly half of it went to state and local municipalities, which is in effect to the municipal unions which are at the core of the Democratic Party." He adds that "the Republicans understood this" and it diminished the chances for bipartisan legislating. Then there was health-care reform: "Eighty percent of the country wanted them to get costs under control, not to extend the coverage. They used all their political capital to extend the coverage. I always had the feeling the country looked at that bill and said, 'Well, he may be doing it because he wants to be a transformational president, but I want to get my costs down!'" Mr. Zuckerman recalls reports of Mr. Obama consulting various historians on the qualities of a transformational president. "But remember, transformations can go up and they can go down." Now comes the latest fight over Mr. Obama's jobs plan, which has as its centerpiece a tax increase on the wealthy with obvious populist appeal. Mr. Zuckerman supports raising taxes on the rich but says such a proposal cannot be taken seriously unless it's paired with other measures to grow the economy and restrain deficit spending. He also wonders why, if the president wanted to get a plan enacted, he didn't begin with private bipartisan discussions with House and Senate leaders, instead of another address to a joint session of Congress. "Even if you want to do this to revive your support in the base, to revive your credibility on the issues of the economy and jobs, which has fallen off the table, this isn't going to accomplish it. Another speech from this guy? The country knows this is just another speech. They understand it almost instantaneously, and his numbers have continued to go down for that reason. What the country wanted was some way of coming up with a solution." The only solution Mr. Zuckerman sees now to juice the economy "is to broaden the tax base and simplify and lower tax [rates]. To me that will be as close to revenue-neutral as you're going to have so it isn't going to be seen as a budget buster." He views GOP candidate Herman Cain's "9-9-9 plan" as a "little bit simple-minded," but he says that a reform that closes loopholes and reduces compliance costs will stimulate both business and consumer spending. Mr. Zuckerman sees a need for a cooperative effort like that of President Ronald Reagan and House Speaker Thomas "Tip" O'Neill when they reformed Social Security in 1983. That wasn't a permanent solution, of course, as Social Security needs more significant changes now, but Mr. Zuckerman sees it as a model of bipartisan progress. Unprompted, he spends much of our discussion reminiscing about the Reagan presidency. Mr. Zuckerman has for years owned U.S. News and World Report, and in 1986 its Moscow correspondent Nicholas Daniloff was seized without warning by the KGB. Mr. Zuckerman immediately flew to Russia but returned home when Soviet officials refused to release their new prisoner. "I worked in the White House for the next four weeks virtually every day and through that I met Reagan," says Mr. Zuckerman. Reagan secured Mr. Daniloff's release in a swap that included a Soviet spy held in the U.S. "Reagan surprised me," says Mr. Zuckerman. "He got the point of every argument. . . . He was very decisive. And everybody loved working for him. They followed his lead because they really respected his decisiveness and his instincts." 'I was not a Republican and I was not an admirer of his before I knew him," continues Mr. Zuckerman. "And you know, Harry Truman had a wonderful definition for the presidency. He said the president has to be someone who can persuade the American people to do what they don't want to do and to like it. And that's what you have to do. Somebody like Reagan had that authority. He was liked so much and he had a kind of moral authority. That's what this president has lost." "Democracy does not work without the right leadership," he says later, "and you can't play politics." The smile inspired by Reagan memories is gone now and Mr. Zuckerman is pounding his circular conference table. "The country has got to come to the conclusion at some point that what you're doing is not just because of an ideology or politics but for the interests of the country."

 

[Bigfoot]

An interesting point was raised concerning Cain's 999 plan. A person who presently has $1,000,000 in the bank would, on the day this passed, have an instant tax on that money of 9% as soon as they tried to spend it. If you are leaning towards Mr. Cain as your choice as President, you should really watch today's "Meet the Press". Very disturbing.

 

[satxron]

The great thing about Cains 999 plan is only congress can change the tax code. It really doesn't matter what the President wants, the congress has to do it. The President wanted shovel ready jobs and spent nearly a trillion bucks. Most thinking folks heard his speeches and said "get the shovel out he is talking again".. The President wanted a single payer National Health Plan so Nancy and Harry gave him............ Wait a minute. Oh my Actually a national sales tax is pretty dead on arrival in any political atmosphere its just something they ramble on about. Flat tax is the only one that would work. Lets see, Rick, Rick, John, Michelle, Mitt, or Herman. Other than Dr.Paul I would take Mr. Cain over any of them. He just doesn't suck as bad.

 

[ddawg]

The great thing about Cains 999 plan is only congress can change the tax code. It really doesn't matter what the President wants, the congress has to do it. The President wanted shovel ready jobs and spent nearly a trillion bucks. Most thinking folks heard his speeches and said "get the shovel out he is talking again".. The President wanted a single payer National Health Plan so Nancy and Harry gave him............ Wait a minute. Oh my Actually a national sales tax is pretty dead on arrival in any political atmosphere its just something they ramble on about. Flat tax is the only one that would work. Lets see, Rick, Rick, John, Michelle, Mitt, or Herman. Other than Dr.Paul I would take Mr. Cain over any of them. He just doesn't suck as bad.

Isn't that what it comes down to many times - vote for the lesser of the evils. Vote for the 1 that will do less damage - hopefully.

 

[jdeleu01]

Bigfoot, You never answered my question from a while back: Who pays you to post all of your anti-American jibberish?

 

[NorCal]

From email: An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".. All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.... After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little. The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F. As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that.

 

[ddawg]

NorCal - +1 - good example.

 

[ddawg]

An interesting point was raised concerning Cain's 999 plan. A person who presently has $1,000,000 in the bank would, on the day this passed, have an instant tax on that money of 9% as soon as they tried to spend it. If you are leaning towards Mr. Cain as your choice as President, you should really watch today's "Meet the Press". Very disturbing.

Wanna see something disturbing? Under Obama's watch: 1. National Debt has risen $4.2 trillion. 2. Federal Govt. spends $4.2 billion more - each day - than it takes in. 3. 2.2 million private sector jobs lost since he took office. 4. + 140,000 Federal jobs added under Obama. 5. 3 million more Americans live in poverty since Obama took office. 6. 4 million bankruptcies under Obama. 7. Gas prices up 80% under Obama. 8. Health Insurance premiums up 13% under Obama. 9. 2.4 million homes have been foreclosed on under Obama. 10. Unemployment actually at 20%. Are we better off than we were 3 years ago?

 

[Bigfoot]

NorCal, the problem with our "test" is that the 1% wrote it and they are the only ones that can afford a #2 pencil. Some republicans are catching on that the 99% are real and they aren't going away. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2106826

 

[NorCal]

NorCal, the problem with our "test" is that the 1% wrote it and they are the only ones that can afford a #2 pencil. Some republicans are catching on that the 99% are real and they aren't going away. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2106826

This is our future? [video]1472[/video]

 

[Bigfoot]

Again, look at the republicans flip flopping around on the 99% issue. One day Eric Cantor is calling them "MOBS". A few days later he said this; "People are upset, and they are justifiably frustrated. They're out of work. The economy is not moving. Their sense of security for the future is not clear at all. People are afraid, and I get it," he said. Their republican handlers have told them to back off belittling the 99%. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2106826 Nobody wants to comment on the 999 plan that will tax your entire life's savings 9% the moment it's passed? This amounts to double Federal taxation. You already paid taxes on that money and now he wants to levy an additional 9% Federal Sales Tax on it when you spend it. This doesn't piss you off? Nobody wants to comment on the 999 plan that would remove the payroll deduction for businesses? Businesses will pay 9% on their gross profit. No more deductions for payroll expenses. You businessmen with high numbers of employees aren't pissed off about that? I post the consequences of blindly following a simplistic plan and can't get any of you to defend the 999 plan but you still say you support Mr. Cain's run for the Presidency. WTF? Watch H. Cain on "Meet the Press" today. His "loaf of bread" explanation made no sense. He couldn't answer a question about whether or not he was a Neo-Con because he obviously doesn't understand the term. He says no abortion period, even for rape or incest. He says that the sales tax only applies to "new goods", not "used goods", so most people will pay less taxes. Well, I guess that the poor people will have to find a store that sells "used food". He claims the elderly won't pay taxes on their dividends. (unless of course they buy something, then they are taxed 9%). I know I'm suffering from dementia, but this guy, who is supposed to be some kind of a serious mathematician, better get a new prescription from his Doctor. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/vp/44920861#44920861

 

[Bigfoot]

Uh oh.

This whole Plutocracy form of government doesn't seem too popular.

 

[ddawg]

Again - Biggie shows the retard side. 1. Yes they are mobs. 2. Yes they are frustrated - mobs can be frustrated. 3. Yes they are out of work - that's why they are camping out week after week. 4. The economy is stalled. 5. The future is not clear - at all - no one feels secure. What's not to get? You know why I don't comment on the 9-9-9 plan? I don't care about it. I have not chosen a candidate yet. I'm letting events unfold. Typical Biggie - stirring the pot - trying to pick a fight. If you want someone to defend the 9-9-9 plan, email Herman Cain's election campaign. Logical? Here's one for for you Biggie. I have no idea who will run against Obama. I have no idea who I will vote for. I am confident Obama will lose - on the economy alone - he is a disaster. I will bet you $500.00 U.S. dollars - cash - Obama loses his re-election bid. Period.