[marlake]

Am I to understand this mileage and no issues on Mobil 1 car oil ? Not jaso ma rated ?

Zero issues on Mobil 1 15/50 Synthetic car/truck oil.
About $27/5qts.
Just fyi. Just because an oil brand isn't the almighty JASO rated only means the the brand didn't feel the need to spend the exorbitant fees required by JASO to require the rating to prove its legitimacy.
I may be wrong. Probably big problems on the way.
Cut the oil thread crap.
"Can't be a man cause he doesn't smoke the same cigarettes as me."
ROLLIN STONES

 

[shoman94]

Well we have specs for a reason and we always have people who think they know better. Look at the people that use car tires on a motorcycle rim.

There is a huge difference in riding a motorcycle like a normal person and then not. My Cammed/Tuned XC Slips now if I spirit shift it. Once the slip happens it take a cooling cycle to kinda go back to normal....at least while 1-up riding.

I will only use MA2 spec oil simi synthetic as spec'd by the manufacturer. There is not one thing that anyone can say that will change my mind. I have owned a few bikes with a wet clutch and I have never run into this when switching between brands with the same specs. The fact is, the stock clutch is just not enough for a cammed/tuned 106 XC/Vision unless you ride like a law abiding citizen always.

 

[NY mike]

Yes,Mike.
The 15/50 synthetic is a standard auto/truck oil that has been around a long time.
The most endearing feature ,for me, was that it quieted down the engine on my first Vic, a 2002 TDC. It sounded like shaking a coffee can full of gravel when I started riding her and I couldn't stand it. Did a little diggin and took a shot on the Mobil 1 a d never looked back.
If anyone really pays attention to this damnable oil threads you will realize that there are a lot of suitable options for the limited miles that most guys get to put on their bikes.
"The best is the enemy of the good".
By the by, closing in on 180,000 on my 2012 XRLE with no slippage or motor related issues.
RIDE SAFE.

I,m talking about the Mobil 1 racing 4T oil Marlake ….. I definitely appreciate all that update.

 

[slickvic]

Zero issues on Mobil 1 15/50 Synthetic car/truck oil.
About $27/5qts.
Just fyi. Just because an oil brand isn't the almighty JASO rated only means the the brand didn't feel the need to spend the exorbitant fees required by JASO to require the rating to prove its legitimacy.
I may be wrong. Probably big problems on the way.
Cut the oil thread crap.
"Can't be a man cause he doesn't smoke the same cigarettes as me."
ROLLIN STONES

Cut the oil thread crap ……?

What you are using ….. I have not ever heard of anyone else using on a Victory or any other motorcycle for that matter.

Rotella T5 with also no Jaso spec on the bottle is pretty popular though I wouldn’t use it.
I posted specs on the 3 different Rotellas and clearly the T5 wasn’t the best choice due to the increased moly in the blend. Enough so that it didn’t make the spec for wet clutch application thusly no Jaso on the bottle. Then a year later someone posts the T5 with Jaso on the bottle then shows a bottle of T4 to be a blend of synthetic and Dino oil yet still having the Jaso spec. I know …who to believe right ?

Sometimes I think I should have just stayed with Vic oil …. Sheesh. !

 

[slickvic]

Lake Speed Jr knows tribology.

He is a master. He certainly knows his stuff. I find his videos to be interesting and entertaining. What with me being so lubricational and all.

There was a video he did called : Motorcycle Oil : worth it or a waste …..or oils ? He puts the myth to rest about car / truck oils being good enough. Something I took away from it was how Amsoil admitted having issues in the beginning with a new wet clutch oil and stated that in order to get it right you have to fail at some point along the way. This is how you know what works and what doesn’t. Good stuff.

Then I Remeber Kevin X saying he was visited by a Royal Purple Rep who wanted him to try their Full synthetic purple wonder lube in the Vic’s. Kevin thought the rep should look at the clutches that come in these bikes and realize the power / torque being put down with the weight of the bike involved and once the rep realized that fact especially after a Kevin X cam job and tune ??? He told Kevin that he would not recommend RP for these bikes.
That was years ago I believe here on this forum or the other. Not word for word but you get the story. Still something I’ll never forget.
Which has kept me from a full syn like RP. Yet my Dumb ass tried Motul and yes slip slip away we did. Well that clutch has seen 4 different brands of oil so there’s the chemistry part.
Well just helping you all to pass the time delivering another crappy oil post lol. Remember it’s both science and entertaining as long as there’s participation. So considering that ? Who doesn’t love a good oil thread ?

 

[Iroquois]

I seen that video @slickvic from Lake Speed Jr. Very informative. From what I gather in his videos, the base stock is not the issue regarding slipping clutches it's the additive package. I'm I correct in that thinking? Theirs a fine line developing these oils for a shared sump system with the additive package.

 

[slickvic]

I seen that video @slickvic from Lake Speed Jr. Very informative. From what I gather in his videos, the base stock is not the issue regarding slipping clutches it's the additive package. I'm I correct in that thinking? Theirs a fine line developing these oils for a shared sump system with the additive package.

And every different mixer / maker has his secret sauce. Fact is some put in the work while others make the norm meaning good enough. Where some oils are better for the clutches they are not necessarily the best for your motor and visa versa. I only use Amsoil as an example because of the video in discussion. The rep from Amsoil couldn’t explain it any better. “ we have to break it to make it better. Could be why they and others have had such success using Amsoil in their Victory motorcycles ? Something I learned is the metric 10/40 Amsoil at the time I was using it back in 2012 was May JASO MA spec. It worked but my clutch was fresh. Then Amsoil came out with the Victory spec 20/40 and it was classified Jaso MA2. Less slippery as they explain it and more for heavy rolling mass like big Vtwins where their Jaso ma oils was more designed for lighter faster spinning bikes like crotch rockets and dirt bikes.
What confuses me is when I see an oil and it says both ….. Jaso Ma/ Ma2 ….. so is that the in between slippery clutch oil and a good grabbing wet clutch oil ? According to the explanation from Lake Speed that should be exactly what that is. So if I ever go back to Amsoil it will be 20/40 Jaso MA2 nothing else need apply. They did the leg work and m on of the riders that has never had an issue with it.
Still don’t with Spectro but when I get a chance I will check the classification on the bottle today. If it’s both MA / Ma2 regardless of it being semi syn ….. then that means it’s intended to give a little slip as explained in the video.

 

[slickvic]

Well it seems I have a dilemma ….. in my own words and hearing it from Lake Speeds mouth
It’s seems my beloved 20/40 Spectro golden 4 is both Jaso MA and MA2. Following along in that video how can the oil spec be both ? Well like I said there is a little slippage built into the formula / additive. Wondering if that’s the issue with some bikes. So far I’ve heard of slippage on a high mileage bike and a bike ridden with a spirited throttle …… hmm
Well here it is …..

 

[slickvic]

Imagine a full synthetic oil with only the Jaso M2 classification grabbing and holding better than a semisynthetic oil having both classifications. If that is the truth then the issue is in the additive and not necessarily the fact that is semi syn or full synthetic oil.
The plot thickens.

 

[slickvic]

 

[slickvic]

 

[md2420]

You got me curious Slick, so I looked up the U1P. Only JASO MA2 designation.

Ultra1Plus SAE 20W-50 Synthetic Blend 4T Engine Oil, API SL, JASO MA2

High-performance 20W-50 synthetic blend motorcycle oil for superior engine protection in powersport applications.

shop.ultra1plus.com

 

[slickvic]

You got me curious Slick, so I looked up the U1P. Only JASO MA2 designation.

Ultra1Plus SAE 20W-50 Synthetic Blend 4T Engine Oil, API SL, JASO MA2

High-performance 20W-50 synthetic blend motorcycle oil for superior engine protection in powersport applications.

shop.ultra1plus.com

That makes it a strong contender in my book. I am definitely doing a lot of hard-core research. I miss MMA versus MMA too, but I’m pretty sure it’s been explained and it is definitely simple enough to understand. I’ll be looking at the back of a bottle of Activo as well. I could care less if these oils have less of a lifespan because I like changing my oil sooner than later anyway.
See aren’t oil threads, fun and educational?

 

[Iroquois]

Coming from a Ole timer.....the learning never stops.
Much like Jethro Bodine I'm trying to cipher it all....🤣

 

[NY mike]

Well the Mobil 1 20w50 racing 4T says it exceeds the Jaso MA/2 needs. And built for heat and heavy load running. I’m gonna run it and see how it does next year. The Spectro in my Magnum no issues. And Redline in my Harleys and Indians same. When I get into the throttle on my 1st chieftain even at 90,000 plus miles clutch the original never slipped on the Redline. So for me full synthetic I’m sticking with as long as the jaso needs are there.

 

[parker3]

Actevo 10-40 and 20-50 exceed JASO MA2 specs.

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

I can only relate my own personal experiences with my own two Victory bikes.

Victory Oil - fantastic clutch performance

Ultra 1Plus - fantastic clutch performance

Spectro Golden - no thank you

My oil shopping is done at this point.

On an inbound Moto Guzzi - likely Motul 7100 full synthetic 10W-60 in the engine plus synthetic 80W/90 and 85W/90 in the other two holes.

Anyone interested in the world’s most enhanced 2013 Victory Hard-Ball?
Hit me up, let’s talk.

 

[Iroquois]

I put out a email to Speediagnostix regarding motorcycle oil with shared sump systems. I ask to compare motorcycle oils in a future video, they liked the idea. Will it happen? We'll see. I mentioned Klotz to be included in that test and he said he remembers that oil from his cart racing days. I'm sure he'll gather a few brands if he goes forth with my request.
Stayed tuned as they say.

 

[slickvic]

If the bottle only shows MA2 then the clutch should grab. If it says both MA and MA2 specs
Or says exceeds MA2 specs and the MA is also on the bottle then the formula should allow for some slippage somewhere in some bike. Likely a lighter high powered dirt bike or Cafe racer. Seems the MA2 only spec on the bottle of whatever oil is proper for heavy bikes like ours. I’d stick close to that spec especially with our clutch.

 

[slickvic]

Looky what I found …… being shipped free to my local Tractor Supply. Yes that’s $5.95
Jaso MA2. 9 bottles just incase I need more than 4 per oil change. I can’t see $15 a bottle anymore for boutique oil. So what swayed me ? It Was the Jaso Ma2 only classification. Actevo came in a close second. I didn’t do full synthetic as per my friend Noe always saying : “ either 20/40 or 20/50 just make it Semi Synthetic.