[iabob]

Vic riders don't have their pinkys up in the air over dealers throwing them parties and organizing rides for us because we make our own. Same for aftermarket accessories and on road service. We do that ourselves. If you doubt me ask Hatch what happened to the VIP area at the Spirit Lake Victory rally a couple years ago!

 

[mototwin]

Vic riders don't have their pinkys up in the air over dealers throwing them parties and organizing rides for us because we make our own. Same for aftermarket accessories and on road service. We do that ourselves. If you doubt me ask Hatch what happened to the VIP area at the Spirit Lake Victory rally a couple years ago!

iabob,

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't reffering to Vic owners with the pinky in air comment I was responding to Hatched comment about Indian owners.

"I am board and just read some threads, sorry for the rant, keep the pinky up when you drink your starbucks and you will be OK."

I was commenting on the fact that if Indian or Victory for that matter really wants to compete with Harley they have to offer "The Experience". I know that true bikers don't really care about that stuff and really only want to ride but you must realize that a very large percentage of Harley owners are posers that just ride to the bar and back with their chaps and dew rags on. That IS Harleys market. I've been riding over 40 years and remember when you had to be a mechanic if you rode because something would always loosen up or break on the bike before you got to where you were going. I also remember when you could bring in a greasy part and slam it down on the parts counter before they started selling jewelry and nick nacks under glass tops. And.....since I'm on a roll what the f-ck is that low wave with the peace sign about, is it really too hard to lift your arm and wave normally to another brother?
Sorry for the rant, please enlighten me on what happened at the Spirit Lake Victory rally.

 

[iabob]

iabob,

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't reffering to Vic owners with the pinky in air comment I was responding to Hatched comment about Indian owners.

" I am board and just read some threads, sorry for the rant, keep the pinky up when you drink your starbucks and you will be OK."

I was commenting on the fact that if Indian or Victory for that matter really wants to compete with Harley they have to offer "The Experience". I know that true bikers don't really care about that stuff and really only want to ride but you must realize that a very large percentage of Harley owners are posers that just ride to the bar and back with their chaps and dew rags on. That IS Harleys market. I've been riding over 40 years and remember when you had to be a mechanic if you rode because something would always loosen up or break on the bike before you got to where you were going. I also remember when you could bring in a greasy part and slam it down on the parts counter before they started selling jewelry and nick nacks under glass tops. And.....since I'm on a roll what the f-ck is that low wave with the peace sign about, is it really too hard to lift your arm and wave normally to another brother?
Sorry for the rant, please enlighten me on what happened at the Spirit Lake Victory rally.

Lmao, good stuff! The first time I met Hatch was at this Victory rally. There's about 30 or so riders in the campgrounds which is essentially across the street from the rally site. On day one it's about 4 or 5 pm, about time to open the first beer and relax a little. Hatch is checking out this metallic bubble gum pink BMW. It was ALL pink. He looks at me and say, "Man is it wrong that I really want to ride that bike (laughing). I said I'd get him the key but I get to ride *****. I'm not sure if he knew the bike belonged to a good friend. He says something like, "Hell yeah!" So I get the keys and two dudes take off on the pinkest bike you've ever seen. I thought he was just going to go up and down the street. Nope. Down the road up the drive and into the grass. We're riding through the vendor area, in and out of their tents, horn blasting the whole time. Next night during the concert we notice that the roped off VIP area is looking a little stuffy so we invite ourselves in and use the ropes to start a limbo contest. Pretty soon the quietest spot became the loudest. We met some factory workers and introduced them to some more fellow riders and turned the VIP area into a party. I thought a couple stuffed shirts were getting pissed but later found out those were actual Victory VPs and thought it was awesome to see the line worker and the riders interacting and having fun. Afterwards it's hard to beat beers by the campfire. I completely get what you're saying about the experience. It's actually something for me that makes Harley a little LESS attractive. But I do realize that's bassackwards from most of the purchasing public. Some guys want a factory and a dealer to create an experience for them but I think they're missing out. The experiences ones create for themselves are so much better.

 

[robsvision]

iabob,

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't reffering to Vic owners with the pinky in air comment I was responding to Hatched comment about Indian owners.

" I am board and just read some threads, sorry for the rant, keep the pinky up when you drink your starbucks and you will be OK."

I was commenting on the fact that if Indian or Victory for that matter really wants to compete with Harley they have to offer "The Experience". I know that true bikers don't really care about that stuff and really only want to ride but you must realize that a very large percentage of Harley owners are posers that just ride to the bar and back with their chaps and dew rags on. That IS Harleys market. I've been riding over 40 years and remember when you had to be a mechanic if you rode because something would always loosen up or break on the bike before you got to where you were going. I also remember when you could bring in a greasy part and slam it down on the parts counter before they started selling jewelry and nick nacks under glass tops. And.....since I'm on a roll what the f-ck is that low wave with the peace sign about, is it really too hard to lift your arm and wave normally to another brother?
Sorry for the rant, please enlighten me on what happened at the Spirit Lake Victory rally.

Me too More than 40 years on bikes. Lots of greasy parts slammed down on many a dealers parts counter. I used to think a bike with 5k was worn out..... Around hear it's not a bar hopping ride with dew rags and chaps but a ride to Tim Hortons for Coffee.... For me I was hoping the EXPERIENCE was going to be fast service from pOlArIs but i I see that's not the case..... It's poor service as usual, but hay they are quick with the color matched clocks....... Do you mean the arm down V or upside down piece sign? Is that the bad ass wave ? Was there or is there a spirit lake Victory Rally... If there is ...... For F€&K sake I hope someone speaks up for our Indian brothers on how the piss poor pOlArIs customer support is not good enough and has to change. The future of Indian depends on it.......

 

[mototwin]

Now your talking........The rider does create his own experience we only need a place to kick tires and tell storys (Lies). Now all I need is a sticker that says I rode my Indian to trailer week . 8)

 

[vintage1344]

Hate to see you give up too soon, because the Indian is really an AWESOME bike. But that's the reason I posted my situation. So people like you will know what you might be getting yourself into. For now, I love the bike enough to be a little patient. It really did piss me off, however, when the dealer tried to tell me that my Chieftan didn't come with TPMS. Shows their ignorance.

He may have thought pms instead of TPMS. What are the circuits of a carburetor and how does a closed loop injection circuit work? I forgot. As with any brand, dealership, or company; there are absentminded associates. Some companies chose to stay with 1940s technology to ensure every person can work on their own.

 

[MudShark]

Two fingers down mean keep both wheels on the ground....It means ride safe stay safe....Rubber side down.

And Indian ran the drive train for millions of miles NOT the electronics. Early adopters are the beta testers for the CPU stuff.

 

[RhoXS]

Here's an example of an Indian-Victory dealer done right: http://www.indianmotorcyclecharlotte.com/
They have highly skilled and trained service department. I will say that expertise does not come cheap. Out of warranty work is expensive, but these guys sweat the details.
Just had an ABS sensor replaced and fork job on the Vision. They cleaned the bike before I got it back. Treated me like a king.
I think this is one big difference between multibrand dealers and a dedicated dealer. Dedicated dealers understand that someone who pays 28k for bike expects a different experience than someone who buys a moped.

 

[Nantan]

Jesus saves. Moses invests. Nantan bought a SERVICE MANUAL (p/n 9924538).

 

[bikendad]

If you're going to buy a first year all new bike, you're going to have to be more patient that's reality. Until the dealers become larger and more established, get some bikes on the road, the training is going to be diving in and getting hands on. Really hard for a manufacturer to train you on fixing "problems" before they know what the problems are. Also until these Vic/Indian stores get larger it's pretty tough to send your only tech away to a training program. Another problem is the way some of these techs move around, how does the owner justify making a large investment in one? It's all going to take time, no easy answers. Your problems are pretty simple, 2 buttons may very well be part of 1 serviceable switch cluster. The TPMS probably just needs programming or has a bad sensor.

 

[robsvision]

I stopped into my dealer and asked why no Indians I said you don't think they will sell? A little info on this area.... Nova Scotia is an economically depressed area that has been controlled by a corrupted political system for many many years. The population here has been falling at an alarming rate. Our government says they need to bring in more immigrants. But in the past even they wouldn't stay here. To high a tax rate. To high an unemployment rate. Just to name a couple. The dealers answer was ...... To fulfill Polaris requirements for an upscale Indian dealership would mean an initial out lay of $500,000 This prob includes people investment, dealership upgrades and inventory. They said it will come but it's going to take some time. Considering the economic out look my dealer will need a set of BIG BALLS to take the risk to expand.... Don't blame the msgr I always tell it like it is......

 

[ProudVicRider]

Two fingers down mean keep both wheels on the ground....It means ride safe stay safe....Rubber side down.

And Indian ran the drive train for millions of miles NOT the electronics. Early adopters are the beta testers for the CPU stuff.

How many hours or miles did Harley test the electronics on their Rushmore bikes? I'll answer this for you, NONE! The riders will be the beta testers. Every time a new car, or motorcycle is released the customer is always the beta tester on the electronics. This is why we have things like warranty's. Just for those of you who aren't paying attention. This thread was strarted way back in October and laid dormant from 16 November 2013 until 27 April 2014, lol. 10 lashings for reviving old issues that have since been resolved.

All of the mechanics at my local Indian dealer have been factory trained and are excellent.

 

[poptop]

New old , big dealer , or small, honesty and integrety rules in the end!
The Op stated he was told by a Indian rep they would have all in place and assuered him things will be taken care of!
Someone was lieing!
From what I have read on these forums and experienced myself , Im going to believe the OP!
In the end the person wo is resposible for the product is the original provider or maker!
If they donot complete due diligence with not onl the people that work for them but also maintian a high leval of Honesty and integrety within there franchisees then the buck stops there!
The truth there are people in every line of work that need there asses kicked and should not be doing wha they are doing, in tis case someone needs there ass kicked ! Either ***** manament stands up and is counted or they slither like a snake in a grian auger, simple as that, honesty and integrity!
Who do you think is lieing?

 

[robsvision]

New old , big dealer , or small, honesty and integrety rules in the end!
The Op stated he was told by a Indian rep they would have all in place and assuered him things will be taken care of!
Someone was lieing!
From what I have read on these forums and experienced myself , Im going to believe the OP!
In the end the person wo is resposible for the product is the original provider or maker!
If they donot complete due diligence with not onl the people that work for them but also maintian a high leval of Honesty and integrety within there franchisees then the buck stops there!
The truth there are people in every line of work that need there asses kicked and should not be doing wha they are doing, in tis case someone needs there a$$ kicked ! Either ***** manament stands up and is counted or they slither like a snake in a grian auger, simple as that, honesty and integrity!
Who do you think is lieing?

Weather it's Indian or Victory it's still Polaris I hope they do a better job supporting there dealers now that they have Indian..... Slithering like a snake has been a Polaris customer service response in the past...