[kaitiff]

NIH, really, was that before or after the termination of 54 of their scientists for accepting bribes from China?

Did I mention that Fauci's NIH was the group that furnished the 7.4 million for "Gain Function" research?

Oh yeah, they are to be trusted and I wonder why so many people are so misinformed...

54 Scientists Lose Jobs Amid NIH Probe Into Foreign Ties

I used the above source, but you can select another of your choosing as a fact is a fact. Oh there are currently over 189 more under investigation from there and other labs.

Yep the Fauci Flu has it's fans eh...

Looks like someone got some new propaganda in his inbox.

Gain of Function research is a valid tool used to study how virii can become better able to proliferate due to mutations et al. If you do not understand how a virus functions and proliferates, how the hell do you expect to be able to fight it?

"Gain-of-function (GOF) research involves experimentation that aims or is expected to (and/or, perhaps, actually does) increase the transmissibility and/or virulence of pathogens. Such research, when conducted by responsible scientists, usually aims to improve understanding of disease causing agents, their interaction with human hosts, and/or their potential to cause pandemics. The ultimate objective of such research is to better inform public health and preparedness efforts and/or development of medical countermeasures."

Gain-of-Function Research: Ethical Analysis

This is not some exculpatory evidence that proves Fauci created or enhanced Covid-19 like you're trying to insinuate. And just for clarification, the NIH is NOT Fauci's.. he works there, and is only in charge of one 'arm' of it's many departments.

As for your claim that there were 54 scientists that were 'bribed' by China.. that hasn't been determined. There are ethical considerations regarding grants and monies for research.. those scientists were censured for not disclosing all of their funding sources...and a lot of them WERE from China. That in and of itself is not a 'bribe'.. but it is an ethical consideration that was uncovered and addressed from what I was able to see. As usual, the best lies and propaganda have a kernel of truth under all the headlines and bluster.

 

[jedi-mcfly]

sources are a big thing when looking who is reporting on what ...
The Epoch times :
The Epoch Times is an international multi-language newspaper and media extension of the Falun Gongnew religious movement, based in the United States.[4][5][6] The newspaper is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty (NTD) television station.[7] The newspaper sources its journalists from China,[verification needed] as well as staff living in the West.[8][9][10] It has websites in 35 countries.[11] Its websites are blocked in mainland China, whose Communist governmentThe Epoch Times investigates for human rights violations.[11]
The Epoch Times is known in Europe to promote far-right politicians,[12][13] and back U.S. President Donald Trump; a 2019 report showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign.[14][15][16] The group's news sites and YouTube channels have spread conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccinationpropaganda.[7][17][18] The organization frequently promotes other Falun Gong extensions, such as its performing arts company, Shen Yun.[4]

- here is the same story without the loaded language and more details, and you don't have to give up your email address to read the report (sketchy)

NIH probe of undisclosed foreign ties costs 54 researchers their jobs: An ongoing National Institutes of Health investigation into researchers failing to disclose financial ties to foreign governments has resulted in 54 scientists being fired or resigning, according to the magazine Science.

The NIH launched the investigation in 2018 to examine undisclosed foreign ties among researchers who received its grants. The organization is investigating 189 scientists at 87 U.S. institutions.

54 Scientists Lose Jobs Amid NIH Probe Into Foreign Ties

I used the above source, but you can select another of your choosing as a fact is a fact. Oh there are currently over 189 more under investigation from there and other labs

I am not sure what flyboy was trying to prove with the article ... but far right extremists conspiracy theorists are hard to converse with.

 

[kaitiff]

 

[Known1]

Let's see your proof the Fauci is responsible for the pandemic as you say.

The incompetence that got us here is DJT refusing to acknowledge there is a serious pandemic and act on the situation : instead he called it a hoax, said it would disappear one day ffs

View attachment 557349

Do you realize that the total percentage of our population that has died from COVID-19 is less than....wait for it: .046%

Rough Numbers: 150,000 (dead) / 330,000,000 (population) * 100 = .0454545454545455 %

 

[kaitiff]

Do you realize that the total percentage of our population that has died from COVID-19 is less than....wait for it: .046%

Rough Numbers: 150,000 (dead) / 330,000,000 (population) * 100 = .0454545454545455 %

you keep talking about the numbers TODAY... you do realize that the death toll .000000001 seconds before a train crash is almost absolutely zero? I would like to ask what you base your percentage on? From what I can glean your numbers don't add up..

United States
Confirmed
3.68M
+70,254
Recovered
1.08M
Deaths
141K
+924

"The death projections from COVID-19 continue to rise in the United States.

A new model from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) is forecasting 224,089 deaths due to COVID-19 by Nov. 1, which is nearly 100,000 more than the current confirmed deaths in the United States.

The previous forecast published July 7 projected 208,254 deaths associated with the virus.

The model said the country's death projection would drop by more than 40,000 to 182,805 if 95 percent of Americans wore masks when leaving their homes. The use of masks is up in the country, but is still "not as high as it should be," according to the IHME."

https://komonews.com/news/coronavir...ws/coronavirus/new-ihme-model-projects-nearly-225000-deaths-in-us-by-november-1

How many is too many? How few before it's acceptable?

 

[Flyboy]

Since I can see the normal fact twisting lefties are filling in spaces (I have them blocked) and more than likely just attacking the sources or failing to grasp reality due to their extreme TDS, let me provide a source of liberal bias...

The Newsweek report revealed an alarming tidbit: The Wuhan lab at the center of the controversy had for years been engaged in gain-of-function research. What exactly is it? It's a line of research where scientists take viruses and study how they might be modified to become deadlier or more transmissible. Why would they do this? Scientists who engage in such research say it helps them figure out which viruses threaten people so they can design countermeasures.

However:

The increased attention to gain-of-function research is a good thing. This kind of highly controversial research - banned under the Obama administration after safety incidents demonstrated that lab containment is rarely airtight -and many scientists and public health researchers think it's a really bad idea. Our brush with the horrors of a pandemic might force us to reconsider the warnings those experts have been sounding for years.

While internally divided, the US government came down on the side of caution at the time. It announced - putting potentially dangerous experiments on hold so the world could discuss the risks this research entailed

So who was the common denominator that got his programs stopped under Obama? Who either convinced or proceeded back to the research that was stopped in 2014? Yep your boy "Fauci"...

So get head out of your TDS ass and smell something other than your BS postings. My God the ignorance in the name of anti-Trump arrogance just oozes still.

Blame Trump for not stopping him and I would agree. But Trump isn't a virologist and Fauci is the one that would have made the decision. In his own words, "worth the risk". Really, tell the World that and attempt to see through your anti-Trump stupor.

Now I am just guessing you fools are there, but I bet I am correct as the stupidity of people is not hard to predict. If I am wrong, well I provided the Loon's with a source that may make them question as I consider it a trash source due to spin...

Oh here is link to your left spinning regurgitation of the facts into something, you deem palatable that only a Loon would swallow....

Note - Appears the site won't allow the link (awesome) since it has inappropriate something. So, you can find on "VOX.com under "why labs work on making viruses deadlier and why they should stop.

Won't allow the Left Loon Source: :rofl3::rofl3:

 

[Known1]

you keep talking about the numbers TODAY... you do realize that the death toll .000000001 seconds before a train crash is almost absolutely zero? I would like to ask what you base your percentage on? From what I can glean your numbers don't add up..

View attachment 557361 United States
Confirmed
3.68M
+70,254
Recovered
1.08M
Deaths
141K
+924

"The death projections from COVID-19 continue to rise in the United States.

A new model from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) is forecasting 224,089 deaths due to COVID-19 by Nov. 1, which is nearly 100,000 more than the current confirmed deaths in the United States.

The previous forecast published July 7 projected 208,254 deaths associated with the virus.

The model said the country's death projection would drop by more than 40,000 to 182,805 if 95 percent of Americans wore masks when leaving their homes. The use of masks is up in the country, but is still "not as high as it should be," according to the IHME."

https://komonews.com/news/coronavir...ws/coronavirus/new-ihme-model-projects-nearly-225000-deaths-in-us-by-november-1

How many is too many? How few before it's acceptable?

They aren't my numbers, they are THE NUMBERS. It's very simple math based on 150,000 deaths thus far and 330,000,000 million citizens. It has nothing to do with the number of infections or infected or recovered. It is the overall death rate from COVID-19 based on 150,000 deaths and a population of 330,000,000 people. Please, do the math yourself. The cool thing is math doesn't lie and anyone can do it.

 

[kaitiff]

I couldn't agree more... so without an anti-virus yet the only other thing I've heard from the conservative side is 'herd immunity'. Herd immunity won't be reached until at least 50% of the people have contracted the virus. So, using 'THE NUMBERS' like you say.. extrapolate whereby to day approx 1% (debatable depending on whether or not you put any faith in testing) yields about 140,000 deaths. So.. FIFTY TIMES that number would be expected to die before herd immunity is reached. Does that reach the level of maybe taking this seriously or treating it as more than a seasonal cold and flu?

EDIT
I checked to see what the figures were for the only other pandemic that closely correlates with this one...

"n the U.S., about 28% of the population of 105 million became infected, and 500,000 to 850,000 died (0.48 to 0.81 percent of the population)"

 

[jedi-mcfly]

Do you realize that the total percentage of our population that has died from COVID-19 is less than....wait for it:

the total percentage of the population that have been infected is 1% (2% if you double it to reflect the ppl who were infected and couldn't get a test)

Simple question : do you run an antivirus software or something on your computer? Would you run your computer without antivirus protection?

How about a fire wall - think of a mask like a firewall that keeps out viruses

 

[Known1]

the total percentage of the population that have been infected is 1% (2% if you double it to reflect the ppl who were infected and couldn't get a test)

Simple question : do you run an antivirus software or something on your computer? Would you run your computer without antivirus protection?

How about a fire wall - think of a mask like a firewall that keeps out viruses

I see your point and know where you're going with your analogy. I currently have no problem masking up for places that require it. Don't expect me to show up with a mask every time though, particularly if I don't know that your business requires a mask. If you want my business and require masks, you should either provide me with a mask or sell me one at a fair price.

 

[jedi-mcfly]

I see your point and know where you're going with your analogy. I currently have no problem masking up for places that require it.

I am not trying to get anyone to mask up - I am saying there is a benefit to masking up in densely populated areas when you go out in public - and when ppl post saying masks are part of the covid misinformation puzzle I try to call attention to the misinformation.

I go to work everyday
I work in a very small shop
I try not to share close physical space with others
I listen to medical professionals not politicians for health advice
I am restricting how much I visit friends and non essential outings
I wash/sanitize my hands lots when I am away from home
I hope this all passes as soon as possible

 

[Known1]

I am not trying to get anyone to mask up - I am saying there is a benefit to masking up in densely populated areas when you go out in public - and when ppl post saying masks are part of the covid misinformation puzzle I try to call attention to the misinformation.

I go to work everyday
I work in a very small shop
I try not to share close physical space with others
I listen to medical professionals not politicians for health advice
I am restricting how much I visit friends and non essential outings
I wash/sanitize my hands lots when I am away from home
I hope this all passes as soon as possible

The thing I find about masks, people wearing them act as if they now have an invincibility shield around them or something. Personally, I think it is giving many people a false sense of security. Again, that's just my opinion.

Example:
The other day I was in a Best Buy waiting to check out with my one item and a 20oz soda. It was my turn to step up to the counter to check out, but a masked employee was quickly approaching from about 10' away and was headed directly between myself and the cashier, who was also about 10' away. The masked cashier waved me in as she didn't see this other employee that was on the move. I raised my finger, as if to say one minute. The masked employee walked past me within less than 2' and carried on. Once the masked employee passed and was more than 6' away I stepped up to the cashier and said "6' at all times right'? She just smiled and said, "yeah, that's right".

 

[jedi-mcfly]

Once the masked employee passed and was more than 6' away I stepped up to the cashier and said "6' at all times right'? She just smiled and said, "yeah, that's right".

As this evolves, I think we are going to go through a series of changes as we learn about the virus and how it affects ppl differently and the treatment of it. But there are going to be changes and ppl resist change so there will be some conflict as well ... how we all deal with will be the determining factor of success or failure.

 

[Flyboy]

They aren't my numbers, they are THE NUMBERS. It's very simple math based on 150,000 deaths thus far and 330,000,000 million citizens. It has nothing to do with the number of infections or infected or recovered. It is the overall death rate from COVID-19 based on 150,000 deaths and a population of 330,000,000 people. Please, do the math yourself. The cool thing is math doesn't lie and anyone can do it.

Apparently, not anybody as the mind has to be clear of the BS variable.

So based on your most excellent math of 150,000 /. 330,000,000 = .0045454. Awesome and i approve...

The funny part is there is no way left to be positive, because of only positives counted and it you fall off a ladder you die of covid-19, how the hell will we ever know? With medical staff finding patients listed as positive when they know they weren't and the financial incentive to cook the books and not including the political bias...

You get the picture, but I do like your numbers and makes sense.

 

[Known1]

Apparently, not anybody as the mind has to be clear of the BS variable.

So based on your most excellent math of 150,000 /. 330,000,000 = .0045454. Awesome and i approve...

The funny part is there is no way left to be positive, because of only positives counted and it you fall off a ladder you die of covid-19, how the hell will we ever know? With medical staff finding patients listed as positive when they know they weren't and the financial incentive to cook the books and not including the political bias...

You get the picture, but I do like your numbers and makes sense.

Hey thanks. Not to be a jerk, but accuracy is important. Your math is a bit off and you must multiply by 100 in order to get the percentage. Here's the equation I used again.

Rough Numbers: (150,000 / 330,000,000) * 100 = .0454545454545455%

In words: Dead divided by total population times 100 gives us the percentage of dead.

 

[Flyboy]

Hey thanks. Not to be a jerk, but accuracy is important. Your math is a bit off and you must multiply by 100 in order to get the percentage. Here's the equation I used again.

Rough Numbers: (150,000 / 330,000,000) * 100 = .0454545454545455%

In words: Dead divided by total population times 100 gives us the percentage of dead.

Aw okay, no apology on the jerk needed as you... Naw, just kidding, appears I have been corrected and forgot a step. To think physics was one of my strongest courses. Looks like I did program the Mars Lander in 1999...

Now that guy felt like a Jerk. Maybe I can be hired to do polls at CNN, if he will retire.

 

[Redmule]

Why the Lockdown Should Last Longer

 

[jedi-mcfly]

Bolsonaro catches coronavirus
Brazil's Bolsonaro catches coronavirus, shrugs off health risks

...now if he is minimizing the symptoms and saying he is reportedly taking HDQ then I view his testimony as suspicious.

something funny (hehe not haha) is going on with the brazilian prez...

 

[jedi-mcfly]

Around the world people have had it with the bvllsh1t inaction of their government, yellow vest protest still going on 16 weeks now Finns have had enough. Hopefully on this side we will wakeup before it's to late.

Finnish "Soldiers Of Odin" Announce Hunt For Rapists & Pedos In Controversial Video

Ultimate purpose of army and police is to protect the government when the SHTF, in the meantime there here to give you the illusion they are protecting you. Let the party begin.

France To Deploy Military Against Next Round Of Yellow Vest Protests

Ever wonder if the Wuhan wiggle virus was brought out to end the uprisings against governments? Million people marches in Hong Kong ended, Yellow Vest protests in France and around the world ended etc. Governments need something to quiet the masses long enough to get back control.

Why the Lockdown Should Last Longer

...is this post anymore accurate and factual than the rest of the garbage you find on Zerohedge?

 

[Redmule]

the phycological experiment on how many stupid sheep follow orders and how easy people can be manipulate by their government masters.

Face Masks Mandated by UK Government Specifically Say They Don't Protect Against COVID-19