[BrandonM7]

Finally got to talk to Chance. I really wish I had as great of a story as you guys. To preface, I'm a fairly nice person. Nice enough that I'm likely considered a push-over. I'm never rude from the outset - southern, if you will. LOL. I wasn't being accusatory or anything, just genuinely asking for help. Cliff's notes:

Told him the spring was super hard - he said "yeah, it's 25% harder than stock, you should have expected that"
Told him it was more than 100% harder than stock and actually broke out from behind the retaining ring after 20 miles - he said "well..." - right then I feel he wrote me off.
Told him I put the Vic spring and plate back in and all was well, but it started slipping within 200 miles - he said "not enough clamping force."
I asked if the spring and pressure plate were required for his clutch pack, he said "no..."
He then volunteered the info "It seems like all of the problems we have are with the Vision. It's just too heavy. That clutch is the exact same size as a Sportster, and that bike is too big for it."
Long pause
"Send the spring and plate back if you want and we can test it, if it's out of spec I'll send you another one." - first bit of positivity
Long pause
I say "The stock Victory clutch lasted 44,000 miles with this spring and pressure plate - yours lasted 212, and your explanation is that the clutch is too small for the bike? Can I send you the whole pack with the spring, since I have to take it out anyway?" (obviously I'm trying to keep my cool, but I'm clearly talking to someone that wrote me off from the first minute and is about to go home)
He said "sure, I'll look at it. Just put a note in there about why you're sending it back."

So I'm not super pleased. He wasn't being a dick, but he was being a guy that didn't believe me and didn't want to be talking to me twenty minutes before closing time. Kind of a ****ty feeling when you've bought literally 21 barnett clutch packs (that I can recall and count out on fingers, so maybe one or two I forgot) to be told my bike is too heavy and get brushed off without much listening at all.

So I'll simmer down and put my factory, ten year old, 44,000 mile clutch parts back in (THAT STILL GRIP) to my bike that's apparently too heavy for the Barnett clutch according to him, pay shipping to send my piece of **** $400 worth of Barnett parts back to them so I can be told there's nothing wrong (my assumption based on my conversation) to hopefully have my faith in them redeemed at a later date.

Great time. Huge financial backer of Barnett up to this point, not so much a verbal backer of them as of just recently.

 

[BrandonM7]

Also of note, dude was very clearly not listening much. You know when you're talking to someone that's staring at their phone or watching tv, and you can tell if you switched over to speaking spanish you'd still get the same "uh huh, okay" even if they didn't speak Spanish? That. My first CS experience with Barnett in roughly 35 years has been awesome so far.

I think maybe I'll call him again tomorrow mid-morning to see if it plays out better.

 

[Chicken Strip]

Well... a new addition to the clutch saga... not a lift rack failure or wonky parts from Barnett. The throwout bearing completely grenaded. Dammit. I'll be driving the truck for a few days waiting for parts. In the meantime I get to go hunting for shrapnel. Yay! View attachment 499645

 

[Cobra Rider]

Well... a new addition to the clutch saga... not a lift rack failure or wonky parts from Barnett. The throwout bearing completely grenaded. Dammit. I'll be driving the truck for a few days waiting for parts. In the meantime I get to go hunting for shrapnel. Yay! View attachment 499645

This the OEM one or upgraded indian bearing?

 

[Chicken Strip]

OEM Bearing. I think the Indian lift rack is beefier than the later Vic racks but that the bearing is common. The older Vic racks are something entirely different. (Please correct me if I'm wrong @Vicbuilder @Half_Crazy or anyone else). I suspect that this failure is a symptom of my few-thousand-mile flirtation with an EZ-pull a while back. I know plenty of riders have no trouble but I could not get it to adjust where I had free-play AND no dragging with the lever pulled in... I rode a couple weeks with it having zero freeplay... the equivalent of resting your foot on the clutch pedal in a car... eventually I got the heebie-jeebies about the idea and took the EZ-pull back off but it looks like the damage was done.

 

[Chicken Strip]

I did a little poking around. Looks like the Indian rack has a 12mm OD while my old-style Vic clutch rack has a 17mm OD... and the result is a much smaller bearing: 17x30x7 vs 12x32x10 on the Indian parts catalog. I put a call into Rylan to ask if I should be swapping parts out to the Indian assembly.

 

[Cobra Rider]

I did a little poking around. Looks like the Indian rack has a 12mm OD while my old-style Vic clutch rack has a 17mm OD... and the result is a much smaller bearing: 17x30x7 vs 12x32x10 on the Indian parts catalog. I put a call into Rylan to ask if I should be swapping parts out to the Indian assembly.

I was just gonna say that if the bearings are common, then the rack would have to be common as well. Hope you get it sorted out.

 

[Chicken Strip]

I'm sure I'll have it sorted out soon. My biggest concern is the 4 bearing balls and the pieces of the inner race that are as-of-yet unaccounted for. I've got some hunting and cleaning to do in the evenings while parts come in. Gotta get all the metal confetti out of the girl... she's too young to die!

 

[Cobra Rider]

I'm sure I'll have it sorted out soon. My biggest concern is the 4 bearing balls and the pieces of the inner race that are as-of-yet unaccounted for. I've got some hunting and cleaning to do in the evenings while parts come in. Gotta get all the metal confetti out of the girl... she's too young to die!

Left side, under the shift pawl, is a path to get to the inside. Not a huge one, but well enough for a magnet. I don't know of another one. Maybe one behind the rotor but I haven't pulled that. I had to get a piece out of one at the shop not too long ago and that was the area I was able to attack it from.

 

[Chicken Strip]

Thanks for the hint @Cobra Rider . I spent a good 3 hours going magnet-fishing though that hole a few weeks back. I put a SKF bearing in the lifter rack and plan to change it every time the clutch needs a new pack. I ran one load of oil for 500 miles, it came out a little glittery. I'll run another short oil change and see how it looks. The remaining glitter is all non-magnetic aluminum... presumably bits of the pressure plate and lifter rack plate that got scarred up as the bearing went "kablooie" inside the spinning clutch assembly.

 

[Cobra Rider]

Hope this pans out for you @Chicken Strip (no pun intended).

 

[oemdesign]

This spring I had Lloydz install a Barnett heavy duty clutch on my 2011 Vision and it chatters in first and second gear. It happens when going slow and the bike inertia overhauls the clutch when engaging it. It's fine on acceleration with a forward load. I took it back to Lloydz and he pulled it apart and reassembled it with no change. It's terribly annoying. It also pulses when creeping from a stop while slipping the clutch.

 

[Chicken Strip]

@Cobra Rider: thanks man. So far so good.
@oemdesign: check belt alignment and tension. It's too easy to be a little off and have weird stuff happen as the driveline loads and unloads. If that ain't it, have a look at post #54 on this thread. Barnett has had a couple (that we know of) springs ship out that "meet manufacturing tolerance" but they are way off from flat and as a result pinch one side of the clutch pack while you're in the friction zone. I know Lloyd is aware of the Barnett stack height problem... but this spring flatness issue seems to be a relatively new demon. Good luck!!!

 

[Sunseter58]

I will change my disc clutch by Barnett plate kit and it don't have a new seat spring ( 524074 ) and spring diaphragm judder (7042123 ) this kit, Is it a good idea to keep the old judder or it's really important to place new .?

 

[broggyr]

When I changed my clutch to the Barnett, I removed the judder spring, seat, and friction ring and replaced them with another friction disk. The judder helps with clutch engagement; it doesn't seem to grab as suddenly as it does without it. However, I didn't want it in there anymore because of it.

 

[Rollinwind]

I have around 110 hp and cams. I think ill just install a stock clutch when its time. Fork in it.

 

[Cobra Rider]

Well, I am going back into it today. I have been noticing lately that when getting on it, it doesn't "grab" as it should and more or less slips into engagement. Plus, the last ride I noticed it slipping in 4th through 6th. Yeah, I get a slip in 6th. I've got maybe 8k miles on this setup with the Barnett pack and OEM friction plate.
Luckily, I got another bike in the back with a good OEM clutch in it. I'm gonna take mine out, measure it, see how it all turns out.
I'm going to order an ALTO pack. Seems they have a solid reputation from the comments on this forum. I'm only at the 120/120 arena so I'm thinking the ALTO will be just fine.

 

[Rollinwind]

Be very careful. I read the Alto threads here. The Alto plates are just as wrong as the Barnett ones were or are. The man who got it to work here reused his victory steel plates because they were the right thickness.

Alto Frictions = Good
Alto Plates = Bad

Alto Friction and Victory plates were said to be good and measured good.

 

[Cobra Rider]

I took it Apart, measured it all, and nothing even close to it if tolerance.
I tried the Barnett pressure plate again and not able to adjust to tolerance.
I cleaned up the plates and friction. Gonna put it back together, out Dino non synthetic in it, and run it

 

[Bikesofbrads]

out Dino non synthetic in it, and run it

Try semi synthetic, @slickvic swears by Spectro as he has many years / miles without any issues with it & he doesn't baby his bike. Yup, I rattled ur cage slick so attest to the durability & longevity from ur findings plz