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I stopped in at the local dealer yesterday to buy some oil. I ended up having a very enlightening and very discouraging conversation with one of the techs who happened to drop by on his day off. We talked about a lot of things, but at one point the chat turned to motorcyles. I told him that I guessed despite my newly-developed apprehension regarding engine modifications, I was going to have to break down and have them replace the cams in my Vision one of these days.

That's when he dropped the bomb on me.

He got this pained look on his face and told me, "We're not going to do cams anymore. Not gonna do Power Commanders, either. We're not going to do any performance mods. Noteven going to sell this stuff."

My Portagee mind should have put it together, but it didn't. This is one of the biggest dealers on the planet and one whose empire was built on parts and they'renotgonna sell anyperformancegoodiesanymore? All I could do was offer up a lame, "WTF, man?!?!"

Like I said, the answer should have been obvious. The answer is CARB.

There's been ominous rumblings in 'Ginafornia regarding the California Air Resources Board and motorcycles for years now. There's nothing new about the arbitrary and capricious laws that have been passed by pencil-necked geek legislators that don't know a fuel injector from a baloney sandwich. But what is new is that the punks have stepped up their game and managed to get their bureaucraticprickup some very big corporate bungholes.

I was told that one of the major parts suppliers was hit with a finenorth of six figures for selling "illegal" parts to shops and dealers in'Ginafornia. And in the process, havecompletely spooked one of the biggest names in the business. And rightly so. See, theCARB goon squad didn't stop with just the fines. They made this major parts house turn over their records of who they sold what to. In turn, they paid a friendly visit to the dealer in question who was required to show them invoices, shipping manifests and work orders. Luckily, they were nothit with any fines, but the message was loud and clear. Cease and desist. No more cams, fuel tuners, exhaust systems, nothing even remotely performance related.

Oh, sure. You can still buy aftermarket parts that are CARB-compliant, but what's the point. Anything "legal" will only be different than OEM, but in no way better, so why bother? For a high visibility, high value target like my local dealer, it's just not worth the risk of selling anything that works that "might" not be compliant. I'm sure they'll continue to sell the "safe" stuff, but who's going to want it? No one I'm acquainted with.

I'm guessingit won't be long before you won't be able to get a motorcycle dynoed inold 'Gini.These guys have a big, red bullseye painted on the backs of their head and the fear is spreading in their ranks, too. A couple of months ago, I called a Dynojet-approved tuner in the Bay Area. The guy was reticent as all git-out to even talkto me about tuning my bike. At the end of our short conversation, he told me tocall him back in a couple of weeks for no apparent good reason, and of course, I never did. I told my cousin about this encounter and he told me a story of his own. He had called a different shop tosee about a dyno and the guy told him the only way he'd do it is if my cousin trailered his bike toand from the shop and the bike couldn't have a license plate on it. He didn't want any performance mods done, just a dynotune, but that was the deal. Take it or leave it, so he left it.

It didn't make sense to me then, but it does now. The darkness is deepening here and it's only going to get worse. Some might be inclined towards a "So what? Everyone knows 'Ginafornia is a POS now. Who cares?" attitude. ButunlikeLas Vegas, what goes on here doesn't always stay here. The cancer sometimes spreads to other parts of the country.

Hope is winking out herefor the future of motorcycling as we know it. Pretty richly ironic considering the motorcycling lifestyle was born in 'Ginafornia, and now the do-gooder, know-nothing, panty waisters running wild and unchecked are doing everything they can to kill it.

Stay tuned (no pun intended) . . .
 
Why do you suppose they call it Ginafornia? I get that's supposed to be derogatory, but speaking for myself I'm a huge fan of vaginas. I would think if I wanted to make it sound like something undesirable I'd call it penisfornia.
 

I don't believe this for one minute. I do believe that a dealer does not have the tech to install cams and fuel controllers

I think your all wrong. A dealer can buy any horse power add ons and put them any bike he wants. Most might not be legal for the street but its up to the customer to keep them off the street not the dealer

I think this is a store to get every one fired up over nothing
 

I know this isn't the political thread... but if it's true, this is a perfect example of liberalism gone amuck at its best.
 
iabob said:
Why do you suppose they call it Ginafornia? I get that's supposed to be derogatory, but speaking for myself I'm a huge fan of vaginas. I would think if I wanted to make it sound like something undesirable I'd call it penisfornia.
I prefer Commiefornia. Just my personal opinion, though...
 

The folks in California have done this to themselves to a large degree, and some parts of this country aren't far behind them.
Every time we feed the machine with more taxes and laws we erode our individual freedoms and rights which moves us closer to servitude.
 
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iabob said:
Why do you suppose they call it Ginafornia? I get that's supposed to be derogatory, but speaking for myself I'm a huge fan of vaginas. I would think if I wanted to make it sound like something undesirable I'd call it penisfornia.
LOL, brother. I'm quite a fan of the vijay, myself. But it's very unbecoming when it's attached to a man like the governor and all the other male electeds here . . .

@Vison_nut: Sorry, but it's absolutely true. Why else do you think a dealer whose bread and butter is the sale and installation of performance parts would just voluntarily decide to cut their own throat? They wouldn't.

It's 'Ginafornia, dude. Unless you live here, you really have no appreciation of how deep the rabbit hole.
 
alanATW said:
I know this isn't the political thread... but if it's true, this is a perfect example of liberalism gone amuck at its best.
Yeah, there are a few contradictions to the little boxes the Reps & Dems have drawn themselves into, and this is one of them. For the Dems - If you are "Liberal" how can you stand the idea of someone telling a man how much firewood to burn, or which way to increase his motorcycle efficiency (safety and efficiency are my performance mod talking points, and I am sticking to them!)? For the Reps - How can you possibly hate welfare and allow so much corporate welfare? There are a butt ton of contradictions, but those two stick in my head. BTW Guitarman, I dont see this as a dyno stand closing in Cali, but a roadtrip opening to Iowa!!!!! Google maps says 1,800 miles over 1 day + 1 hour, so Im thinking, on a Vision? what 10-11 hours?? Plus, Rylan isnt giving up your sales receipt unles they can catch the high speed wrench monkey! Kg
 

Get out!! There is plenty of room here in Georgia. Winters are not too bad, and just a few hours trip to Deal's gap. Just sayin'
:)
 
Yeah, the real problem with California doesn't have anything to do with liberalism or conservatism. It's just too damn many people live there. I typically come down on the liberal side of things, but look at my sig line and that should tell you how I really feel about modding motorcycles. Go google a photo of downtown Beijing these days and that will give you a clue why California does what they do. Iowa's pretty much a blue state, but only about 3 million people live here, everyone else left for year round sun, palm trees, and sandy beaches. Even with our left of center nature we have no helmet law, no vehicle inspection, no noise level mandate for exhaust, no emissions testing, and it costs me 10 dollars a year to tag my bikes. The weather and scenery here pretty much suck, but the lack of population does have some benefits.
 

Nessie044 said:
I stopped in at the local dealer yesterday to buy some oil. I ended up having a very enlightening and very discouraging conversation with one of the techs who happened to drop by on his day off. We talked about a lot of things, but at one point the chat turned to motorcyles. I told him that I guessed despite my newly-developed apprehension regarding engine modifications, I was going to have to break down and have them replace the cams in my Vision one of these days.

That's when he dropped the bomb on me.

He got this pained look on his face and told me, "We're not going to do cams anymore. Not gonna do Power Commanders, either. We're not going to do any performance mods. Noteven going to sell this stuff."

My Portagee mind should have put it together, but it didn't. This is one of the biggest dealers on the planet and one whose empire was built on parts and they'renotgonna sell anyperformancegoodiesanymore? All I could do was offer up a lame, "WTF, man?!?!"

Like I said, the answer should have been obvious. The answer is CARB.

There's been ominous rumblings in 'Ginafornia regarding the California Air Resources Board and motorcycles for years now. There's nothing new about the arbitrary and capricious laws that have been passed by pencil-necked geek legislators that don't know a fuel injector from a baloney sandwich. But what is new is that the punks have stepped up their game and managed to get their bureaucraticprickup some very big corporate bungholes.

I was told that one of the major parts suppliers was hit with a finenorth of six figures for selling "illegal" parts to shops and dealers in'Ginafornia. And in the process, havecompletely spooked one of the biggest names in the business. And rightly so. See, theCARB goon squad didn't stop with just the fines. They made this major parts house turn over their records of who they sold what to. In turn, they paid a friendly visit to the dealer in question who was required to show them invoices, shipping manifests and work orders. Luckily, they were nothit with any fines, but the message was loud and clear. Cease and desist. No more cams, fuel tuners, exhaust systems, nothing even remotely performance related.

Oh, sure. You can still buy aftermarket parts that are CARB-compliant, but what's the point. Anything "legal" will only be different than OEM, but in no way better, so why bother? For a high visibility, high value target like my local dealer, it's just not worth the risk of selling anything that works that "might" not be compliant. I'm sure they'll continue to sell the "safe" stuff, but who's going to want it? No one I'm acquainted with.

I'm guessingit won't be long before you won't be able to get a motorcycle dynoed inold 'Gini.These guys have a big, red bullseye painted on the backs of their head and the fear is spreading in their ranks, too. A couple of months ago, I called a Dynojet-approved tuner in the Bay Area. The guy was reticent as all git-out to even talkto me about tuning my bike. At the end of our short conversation, he told me tocall him back in a couple of weeks for no apparent good reason, and of course, I never did. I told my cousin about this encounter and he told me a story of his own. He had called a different shop tosee about a dyno and the guy told him the only way he'd do it is if my cousin trailered his bike toand from the shop and the bike couldn't have a license plate on it. He didn't want any performance mods done, just a dynotune, but that was the deal. Take it or leave it, so he left it.

It didn't make sense to me then, but it does now. The darkness is deepening here and it's only going to get worse. Some might be inclined towards a "So what? Everyone knows 'Ginafornia is a POS now. Who cares?" attitude. ButunlikeLas Vegas, what goes on here doesn't always stay here. The cancer sometimes spreads to other parts of the country.

Hope is winking out herefor the future of motorcycling as we know it. Pretty richly ironic considering the motorcycling lifestyle was born in 'Ginafornia, and now the do-gooder, know-nothing, panty waisters running wild and unchecked are doing everything they can to kill it.

Stay tuned (no pun intended) . . .
Ohio is the same way.
The guy that said trailer the bike both ways with no license plate attached has the correct answer.

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alanATW said:
I know this isn't the political thread... but if it's true, this is a perfect example of liberalism gone amuck at its best.
Alan, it's a law.
If you don't like the law, work to change the law.
We no longer have to wear helmets in Ohio because we worked to change the law.
California has serious pollution problems due to mountains and air currents that trap it.

If you ride a loud motorcycle or car through my little Ohio town, be prepared to be pulled over and noise tested.
Then be prepared to see your bike or car towed away.

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BigTrav83 said:
Get out!! There is plenty of room here in Georgia. Winters are not too bad, and just a few hours trip to Deal's gap. Just sayin'
:)
Yeah, but then you have to LIVE in Georgia.
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bigfoot said:
California has serious polution problems due to mountains and air currents that trap it.

If this "law" is indeed true, it hasn't one credible thread to pollution mitigation.

This is another typical lib thing to put a clamp down on stuff they don't like. Guns, SUV's, Motorcycles,....you name it. If a liberal doesn't like somethng, they get all their liberal politicians to pass a law to take it away from everyone. If a conservative doesn't like something, s/he doesn't buy/participate/support it, but would never think of passing a law about it.

Motorcycles. generally get better gas mileage than any car on the road. Now someone is going to tell me that because of pollution controls on cars and cad convertaors, etc, that a car is cleaner...that may be.

I still say the nut bags in Sacramento just wanna take your bike away and make you ride a 50cc moped.
 
bigfoot said:
Yeah, but then you have to LIVE in Georgia.
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Truth in satire? Just sayin'.
 

TheBucket said:
This is another typical lib thing to put a clamp down on stuff they don't like. Guns, SUV's, Motorcycles,....you name it. If a liberal doesn't like somethng, they get all their liberal politicians to pass a law to take it away from everyone. If a conservative doesn't like something, s/he doesn't buy/participate/support it, but would never think of passing a law about it.
Huh? Ever ride to Kentucky? Pretty conservative place. Plenty of counties there that don't sell alcohol, because the churchies don't like it. How about Tenn? Plenty of rootin tootin shootin conservatives there too. Try riding in front of one of the cops there without your helmet on.

This to say nothing of the numerous conservative (churchie) vice laws designed to protect adults from themselves.

And none of the things I've mentioned affects people other than the consenting adult participants. Pollution affects everyone.

Having said that, I personally think we sicklists should get a pass. There aren't that many of us, most of us don't ride very much, and our season is pretty short in most places. On top of that, we have to sit on our engines. It's a form of nad torture to make us endure such crap uneccessarily. Better to make all the lawn equipment run stoich and use cats. A whole lot more of that crap polluting the environment everyday.

But bitchin on a forum ain't gonna change a thing. Joining an organization that lobbies for our rights is about the best we can do. But most of us are cheapskates and would rather just complain. Carry on...
 
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bigfoot said:
The guy that said trailer the bike both ways with no license plate attached has the correct answer.

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I agree. With that, the tuner has plausible deniability. The guy brought his bike in on a trailer. It didn't have a plate on it. He told me he wanted it tuned for the track.

But you have to wonder how long that will last once the tyrants build even more steam.
 
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