The Official Politics and Religion Thread

Andy · Nov 11, 2012

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snobnd · Jul 9, 2020

iabob said:
And it was fake. Let's lie about a non white woman, that'll scare the crap out of gullible conservatives and they'll click click click on our websites generating ad revenue. Meanwhile American soldiers are being killed for Russian bounties and the president does nothing. What he does do is threaten further harm to states and school districts if they don't put citizens lives at risk in order to boost his chances for the election. Should we hold the most powerful man in America accountable for the deaths on his watch? Nope, let's find a distraction. Find a minority to pick on, let the president get away with it.

Look who's talking about gullible, she lied about what district she lived in, she married her brother, she uses her political donations as her piggy bank and she really is that anti-American....How the **** you can't see that is beyond reality!

All of this has been disproved but you are so brain-damaged you refuse to look at it.....How many Americans have died because of the Russians you don't know because it didn't happen.

I guess you're gonna look really stupid complaining about the Russians for another four years.

Jack ass, your fake out rageIt's just you suffering from TDS!

crosscountryla · Jul 9, 2020

iabob said:
And it was fake. Let's lie about a non white woman, that'll scare the crap out of gullible conservatives and they'll click click click on our websites generating ad revenue. Meanwhile American soldiers are being killed for Russian bounties and the president does nothing. What he does do is threaten further harm to states and school districts if they don't put citizens lives at risk in order to boost his chances for the election. Should we hold the most powerful man in America accountable for the deaths on his watch? Nope, let's find a distraction. Find a minority to pick on, let the president get away with it.

Ok so given the alternative, you would rather have Hillary Clinton as president and not Trump given the two nominees?

MoRider · Jul 9, 2020

Half_Crazy said:
Kidding me? Is this guy Sno?

So he says trump should be praised that there's only 131,000 deaths ? That's some bass ackwards thinkingor trump thinking

iabob · Jul 9, 2020

crosscountryla said:
Ok so given the alternative, you would rather have Hillary Clinton as president and not Trump given the two nominees?

You can't help yourself can you? What does Hillary have to do with the Commander in Chief not protecting US troops and the president threatening harm to states and school districts if they don't sacrifice American lives for his election chances?

I'll cut you some slack 'cause I don't think you visit this thread much, so you may not realize I voted Libertarian. I jumped on the Johnson/Weld bandwagon very early on in 2016. Not as a protest vote, not because I didn't like Trump or Clinton (even though I didn't), I got behind that ticket because I actually liked them. Which at this point is irrelevant, because Gary Johnson didn't win. He's not the president. It makes absolutely NO difference that I would've rather had him as a president. The fact that he isn't has absolutely ZERO impact of holding Trump accountable for not protecting American troops, for demanding American citizens be sacreificed to make him look good, that he tried to bribe a foreign government into interfering in our elections, that he bungled pandemic response and Americans are dead and our economy is a disaster from him sucking, that he obstructed justice, that he is using his properties to launder bribes, that he violated campaign finance laws, that he's forcing US taxpayers to line his pockets....and on and on. It doesn't matter who else might have, but didn't become president. None of that excuses him.

It's really too bad conservatives are clueless what personal responsibility and accountability actually mean.

crosscountryla · Jul 9, 2020

iabob said:
You can't help yourself can you? What does Hillary have to do with the Commander in Chief not protecting US troops and the president threatening harm to states and school districts if they don't sacrifice American lives for his election chances?

I'll cut you some slack 'cause I don't think you visit this thread much, so you may not realize I voted Libertarian. I jumped on the Johnson/Weld bandwagon very early on in 2016. Not as a protest vote, not because I didn't like Trump or Clinton (even though I didn't), I got behind that ticket because I actually liked them. Which at this point is irrelevant, because Gary Johnson didn't win. He's not the president. It makes absolutely NO difference that I would've rather had him as a president. The fact that he isn't has absolutely ZERO impact of holding Trump accountable for not protecting American troops, for demanding American citizens be sacreificed to make him look good, that he tried to bribe a foreign government into interfering in our elections, that he bungled pandemic response and Americans are dead and our economy is a disaster from him sucking, that he obstructed justice, that he is using his properties to launder bribes, that he violated campaign finance laws, that he's forcing US taxpayers to line his pockets....and on and on. It doesn't matter who else might have, but didn't become president. None of that excuses him.

It's really too bad conservatives are clueless what personal responsibility and accountability actually mean.

The Democrat nominee was Hillary Clinton and the Republican nominee was Donald Trump. These were the only two presidential candidates that had any chance of being president. Because you hate Trump so much you think Hillary Clinton would have been a much better president if she was in office?

jedi-mcfly · Jul 9, 2020

BBob · Jul 9, 2020

MoRider said:
So he says trump should be praised that there's only 131,000 deaths ? That's some bass ackwards thinkingor trump thinking

Fauci said it could be 2 million so when put in that perspective, yeah, 131k ain't bad at all.

jedi-mcfly · Jul 9, 2020

March 29/2020
Dr. Anthony Fauci warns US could see up to 2 million confirmed cases of coronavirus
Video: Dr. Anthony Fauci warns US could see up to 2 million confirmed cases of coronavirus
CONFIRMED CASES BoZoBoB

...same day same place...

Fauci Estimates That 100,000 To 200,000 Americans Could Die From The Coronavirus

...Fauci is right on the money
Fauci Estimates That 100,000 To 200,000 Americans Could Die From The Coronavirus

Why does the fanatical extremists on the right have to lie so much?

alanATW · Jul 9, 2020

jedi-mcfly said:
...and the climate change hoax is a cover to redistribute conservative wealth around the globe...

Why are the answers always buried in some conspiracy or secret truth - where did you get this secret truth from?

I didn't talk about a secret truth. What secret truth are YOU talking about?

jedi-mcfly · Jul 9, 2020

alanATW said:
I didn't talk about a secret truth. What secret truth are YOU talking about?

...your secret conservative truth on climate change... are you getting a little senile Alan? You have only been going on about it for four years on here

alanATW said:
I think we are in a period of warming but to-date the % increases don't require the draconian responses and proposals from the global warmists. I honestly don't know if the warming trend is short term or not. I don't think we know if natural variations to the climate or changes in the sun or humans are to blame. Maybe some of both. I also believe the earth and her systems are resilient beyond our understanding... and some research indicates there have been much higher swings in warming periods in the past that go up and then come back down. I think there's a lot both sides of the argumet don't know.

Before the IPCC scientists falsely manipulated the data, there were models that actually predicted a global cooling trend coming around 2050. Some models had slight increases happening and others had slight cooling happening. See the graph below.

Global warming became a cultish religion to some... but was exposed. I detest how they manipulated the science for political purposes. But, I also believe we have a human stewardship to take care of the earth and her resources. Those abundant resources are for our use and we should also protect them for futur generations. I just don't believe it requires the draconian approach proposed by some.

alanATW · Jul 9, 2020

kaitiff said:
Yep.... FORCING states to re-open their schools is going to go well. I mean.. it's not like we have anything to compare it to...

"Weeks after President Trump demanded that America's shuttered houses of worship be allowed to reopen, new outbreaks of the coronavirus are surging through churches across the country where services have resumed.

The virus has infiltrated Sunday sermons, meetings of ministers and Christian youth camps in Colorado and Missouri. It has struck churches that reopened cautiously with face masks and social distancing in the pews, as well as some that defied lockdowns and refused to heed new limits on numbers of worshipers.

Pastors and their families have tested positive, as have church ushers, front-door greeters and hundreds of churchgoers. In Texas, about 50 people contracted the virus after a pastor told congregants they could once again hug one another. In Florida, a teenage girl died last month after attending a youth party at her church.

More than 650 coronavirus cases have been linked to nearly 40 churches and religious events across the United States since the beginning of the pandemic, with many of them erupting over the last month as Americans resumed their pre-pandemic activities, according to a New York Times database."
Churches Were Eager to Reopen. Now They Are a Major Source of Coronavirus Cases.

Those damn Christians...

alanATW · Jul 9, 2020

iabob said:
Everyday it seems we break a new record of confirmed cases. Hospitals are reaching or at capacity trying to keep Americans from dying. And the ****bag in the White House wants to use his power to force the situation to get WORSE...because he's afraid that saving American lives will make him look bad and hurt his re-election chances.

God forgive any bastard that votes for this scumbag. I and history will never forget or forgive.

The number of daily and weekly deaths keeps going steadily down.

alanATW · Jul 9, 2020

jedi-mcfly said:
...your secret conservative truth on climate change... are you getting a little senile Alan? You have only been going on about it for four years on here

I never claimed it's some secret conservative truth... LOL. By labeling it as such you are trying to dismiss it. The news and truth about the Climate hoax and the way the data and models were manipulated and made up is common public knowledge. There's nothing secret about it. They lied and made up data and used fake models to peddle their crap.

None of their drastic predictions has come true... NONE. Not one. That is not secret... but visible for the entire world to see and understand. Facts matter.

Half_Crazy · Jul 9, 2020

snobnd said:
All of this has been disproved

Yup, just like all the crap you post..

Half_Crazy · Jul 9, 2020

jedi-mcfly said:
It would be funny if it wasn't tragic

Tragic because it was preventable.... 40,000 people flew into the US from China AFTER the travel ban. How can that be? The travel ban only stopped foreign nationals, not US citizens. No testing, no quarantine, just come on back.

Let's see... Hilary Clinton or Donald Trump...
The wife of the guy who left the US with a budget surplus?
Or
The guy who bankrupted casinos?

The former Secretary of State?
Or
The guy from a reality TV show who paid someone to take his SATs?

iabob · Jul 9, 2020

crosscountryla said:
The Democrat nominee was Hillary Clinton and the Republican nominee was Donald Trump. These were the only two presidential candidates that had any chance of being president. Because you hate Trump so much you think Hillary Clinton would have been a much better president if she was in office?

And you still can't help yourself. Why are you trying so hard to make excuses for such a terrible president? Yes I do hate Donald Trump...because he earned it. No that does not mean I think anything one way or the other about Hillary Clinton. She's not the president! If she was, and sucked as bad as Trump, I would hate her and demand she be replaced! This is what demanding personal responsibility and accountability means. "But but Hillary..." means nothing, doesn't change any facts, doesn't excuse Donald Trump, or YOU, from taking responsibility for your actions.

iabob · Jul 9, 2020

alanATW said:
The number of daily and weekly deaths keeps going steadily down.

And it hasn't rained here in almost a week.

Half_Crazy · Jul 9, 2020

iabob said:
And it hasn't rained here in almost a week.

Deaths are up... 7 day average of deaths is up and it will get worse.
We do have some better treatments now, so the mortality rate will probably be less than it was earlier.

Record number of cases per week and what do the Trumpeteers say? But but but deaths are down... all except, no they are not... and that wouldn't change the number of new cases anyway.

Half_Crazy · Jul 9, 2020

jedi-mcfly said:
Why does the fanatical extremists on the right have to lie so much?

Because the Dear Leader lies to them and they accept it as truth.

iabob · Jul 9, 2020

Half_Crazy said:
Deaths are up... 7 day average of deaths is up and it will get worse.
We do have some better treatments now, so the mortality rate will probably be less than it was earlier.

Record number of cases per week and what do the Trumpeteers say? But but but deaths are down... all except, no they are not... and that wouldn't change the number of new cases anyway.

Correct. And what if deaths were down? Does that make it ok for the president to threaten further harm if states and school districts don't capitulate to his demands to put their children, teachers, and communities at risk all while their ICU's are filling up? Is it only wrong for the president to do that if deaths are going up? Riddle me this, first infections and rates of infections rise. Second some of the sick are so bad off they are admitted to the hospital. Third, some of those admitted to the ICU...gee, I wonder what happens next?

No no no, just cherry pick a data point, don't fact check it, and use that as an excuse / diversion to ignore the obvious as a means to defend the indefensible.

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