[dnkrm]

If Victory was to return then the PowerPlus motor would be in the bikes. Should fit right in. Somewhere there are photos of the future Victory with the PP motor in it. I may have them to post. So what would the new Victory look like ? Certainly not the RG mimicked Challenger ? That would have been a great name for the future Victory. The Victory Challenger edition. Like Dodge ….. Challenger, Charger, Magnum ( already used).
someone in Polaris apparently likes using
Dodge names in their Branding.
While I feel Victory is gone forever I get the feeling it’s coming back ( think Cross Country styling ) in the Chieftain. It is the closet thing to a cross bike that Indian builds and with a PP motor and some restyling of the fairing and bags …. ( the tank is fine dash got to go ) we could have our Victory hopefully without the Chieftain name. Thinking more along the lines of it being called the Indian SPIRIT 112.
Choosing the Spirit name to honor the spirit of the Cross Country and magnum bikes. I’m not crazy about the name either but would love to hear anyone’s ideas of a new name for the handle bar fairing baggers with PP motors that are coming out in the near future. I think this is the most exciting news coming from Polaris / Indian in a long time. Still want them to FUK off but at my age I welcome excitement.

Have to say I got a little excited when me and a few buddies got the tour of the Local HD shop the day the new 2024 ( 12 of them ) SG, RG, and CVO’s were being assembled for the floor. Comparing them in the shop next to last years models and some of the 2 yr old bikes that hadn’t sold yet …. You could see the improvements all around. Sitting on the new SG felt the same though. Feeling like I was on top of the bike rather than in it. Never understood all the hipe of the SG !
The Road Glide was just right and until now with the 2024 models I never cared for the shark nose fairing. Especially sitting on the bike from that view. The new 2024 feels right. High bars giving you the feeling you are sitting in the bike. The fairing more sleek with the gauge package behind a dark tinted screen giving a super clean look. The handle bar controls on both bikes are all new. Lifting the bike off the stand ….like a victory or even an Indian ….. it picks up quite easily and my feet were better planted. The bike didn’t feel heavy at all. Some new paint colors, restyled wheels that actually mimic the Challengers more than any HD …..and mostly the 117 motor now available on a base HD is sure to keep these bikes rolling odd the floor. The price is less than last years models and you get CVO styling and power for less than $30k. Boy last years buyers are gonna be pissed !

Funny you mention it, the new Victory with the powerplus motor was going to be called the Victory Charger, they had several prototypes made and destroyed them once they pulled the plug.

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

Yup. They showed the Victory dealers some prototype mock ups as well. After they killed Victory they destroyed the evidence. You know, 1901 and all that nonsense.

I’m amazed when I meet an Indian fanboy that actually thinks there’s an Indian Motorcycle Company. Like Polaris doesn’t even exist.

Too many of the Indian fanboys seem to be large consumers of the Indian ‘Wrecking Crew’ Kool-Aid.

 

[MagVic CCT]

I hate to say it, but..............

Could some of the Indian faithful be in the same league as the Harley faithful?








We make fun here, I know, and we have our own biases. But I like to think (and I do believe) that the Victory faithful are at least very well informed and not just a go along crowd cause. "they said so". (whoeverthehelltheyis?)

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

Victory Motorcycles from the first one to the last one went to non-conformists. By definition, we’re not ‘the herd’.

Loyal and loving of the brand, yes, guilty on both counts.

 

[VSprocket]

Victory Motorcycles from the first one to the last one went to non-conformists. By definition, we’re not ‘the herd’.

And that was the very reason I bought into the Victory brand.

 

[KeepRidin!]

I’m amazed when I meet an Indian fanboy that actually thinks there’s an Indian Motorcycle Company. Like Polaris doesn’t even exist.

I've never met a Victory rider that calls their bike a Polaris. Indian does exist, whether we like it or not.

 

[KeepRidin!]

I hate to say it, but..............

Could some of the Indian faithful be in the same league as the Harley faithful?

Yes, same goes with some riders for every other motorcycle company.

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

I've never met a Victory rider that calls their bike a Polaris. Indian does exist, whether we like it or not.

No problem with Indian existing. Quite the opposite, I want them to thrive, not just succeed.

I used to get asked quite often: ‘who makes that when referring to my CCT’? The Polaris name was prominent on the original Victory logo. No Victory owner I’ve ever met had an issue with Polaris Industries brining Victory Motorcycles to life.

I’ve met very few Indian riders who could say the words: Polaris Industries. Most tend to not want to acknowledge Polaris exists. Perhaps your experience is quite different.

I stop at quite a few Indian dealers on my travels seeing what, if anything, they may still have from Victory. Some part or accessory maybe. Just this week I stopped at two, one in IN and one in IL.

Many Indian dealers are starting to look like old Victory dealers in that they’re mostly multi brand dealerships. The Indian section of the dealer in Lafayette, IN for example seems to be shrinking their Indian floor space. You can barely walk through the overflowing and abundant four wheelers to find less than a dozen Indian bikes. That reminded me, a lot, of many former Victory dealers. And not in a good way.

Then again, a multi brand Indian dealer I stopped at in MO a few weeks ago had an enormous number of Indians. As well as a huge inventory of several other brands. All cramped in so tight you couldn’t really see anything. Well over a dozen employees on the floor all so engrossed in looking at their computer screens that none of them could even acknowledge I walked in or was looking around for over 30 minutes. It was not a pleasant experience. All within a stones throw away from a nice and organized Harley dealer. The customer experience and the atmosphere at most Harley shops continues to be, from my experiences, far more pleasant at most Harley shops than most Indian dealers.

Going to an Indian dealer has become quite the opposite of going to most Harley dealers. And, IMHO, not in a good way.

Originally, Polaris wanted their Indian dealers to mimic Harley shops. The reality of economics has most certainly changed that.

 

[slickvic]

I hate to say it, but.............. View attachment 647596

Could some of the Indian faithful be in the same league as the Harley faithful?








We make fun here, I know, and we have our own biases. But I like to think (and I do believe) that the Victory faithful are at least very well informed and not just a go along crowd cause. "they said so". (whoeverthehelltheyis?)

Most guys on an Indian came from Harley. The real fed up ones are grabbing all the Victory’s

 

[slickvic]

No problem with Indian existing. Quite the opposite, I want them to thrive, not just succeed.

I used to get asked quite often: ‘who makes that when referring to my CCT’? The Polaris name was prominent on the original Victory logo. No Victory owner I’ve ever met had an issue with Polaris Industries brining Victory Motorcycles to life.

I’ve met very few Indian riders who could say the words: Polaris Industries. Most tend to not want to acknowledge Polaris exists. Perhaps your experience is quite different.

I stop at quite a few Indian dealers on my travels seeing what, if anything, they may still have from Victory. Some part or accessory maybe. Just this week I stopped at two, one in IN and one in IL.

Many Indian dealers are starting to look like old Victory dealers in that their mostly multi brand dealerships. The Indian section of the dealer in Lafayette, IN for example seems to be shrinking their Indian floor space. You can barely walk through the overflowing and abundant four wheelers to find less than a dozen Indian bikes. That reminded me, a lot, of many former Victory dealers. And not in a good way.

Then again, a multi brand Indian dealer I stopped at in MO a few weeks ago had an enormous number of Indians. As well as a huge inventory of several other brands. All cramped in so tight you couldn’t really see anything. Well over a dozen employees on the floor all so engrossed in looking at their computer screens that none of them could even acknowledge I walked in or was looking around for over 30 minutes. It was not a pleasant experience. All within a stones throw away from a nice and organized Harley dealer. The customer experience and the atmosphere at most Harley shops continues to be, from my experiences, far more pleasant at most Harshops than Indian dealers.

Going to an Indian dealer has become quite the opposite of going to most Harley dealers. And, IMHO, not in a good way.

Originally, Polaris wanted their Indian dealers to mimic Harley shops. The reality of economics has most certainly changed that.

Yeah man…..I’ve spoken to a few indian owners in the past that had no clue that Polaris was the mother ship. One argued that the two were not affiliated and that Indian was not owned by a Canadian company! lol. Same guy also didn’t realize Victory dna was in his bike. He had a beautiful Indian but no clue.
Regarding multi brand dealers housing Indian ? Well many first started as an Indian dealer only but to keep the doors open they had to go with the multi brands. Indian doesn’t and never will sell like Harley Davidson. That will take about another 50 yrs to get to that status.

 

[MagVic CCT]

WHO, and HOW the hell do you buy a bike without knowing something about it?? Especially something like a cruiser/tourer as that is not likely the first bike in the stable.

It has to be a, 'well my buddy or circle of buds says this is what I should have so do-de-do, here I go' kind of mentality. I guess I get it, sort of, but I just cannot fathom spending my money on anything that I haven't explored to know if it will fit my wants and needs. Guess I'm jealous and wish I had that kind of throw away money.

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

I have no hate for Polaris Industries whatsoever. Just the opposite really. Polaris Industries gave me, just like @normthenomad, the motorcycle I’ve always wanted. I watched everything Polaris did with their Victory brand from concept through V92 production. I cheered them on 100% through all of that.

Then when I first saw the CR and the CC I knew I’d love it. So American, so unique and so well designed and thought out. These are truly motorcycles designed and built for true motorcycle enthusiasts.

I’m thrilled Victory DNA continues to be the best selling force behind Indian bikes Polaris has. That being the Scout and the Challenger series. Absolutely nothing about those bikes is ‘Indian’ except the name they’re branded with.

 

[RoteBarron]

No problem with Indian existing. Quite the opposite, I want them to thrive, not just succeed.

I used to get asked quite often: ‘who makes that when referring to my CCT’? The Polaris name was prominent on the original Victory logo. No Victory owner I’ve ever met had an issue with Polaris Industries brining Victory Motorcycles to life.

I’ve met very few Indian riders who could say the words: Polaris Industries. Most tend to not want to acknowledge Polaris exists. Perhaps your experience is quite different.

I stop at quite a few Indian dealers on my travels seeing what, if anything, they may still have from Victory. Some part or accessory maybe. Just this week I stopped at two, one in IN and one in IL.

Many Indian dealers are starting to look like old Victory dealers in that their mostly multi brand dealerships. The Indian section of the dealer in Lafayette, IN for example seems to be shrinking their Indian floor space. You can barely walk through the overflowing and abundant four wheelers to find less than a dozen Indian bikes. That reminded me, a lot, of many former Victory dealers. And not in a good way.

Then again, a multi brand Indian dealer I stopped at in MO a few weeks ago had an enormous number of Indians. As well as a huge inventory of several other brands. All cramped in so tight you couldn’t really see anything. Well over a dozen employees on the floor all so engrossed in looking at their computer screens that none of them could even acknowledge I walked in or was looking around for over 30 minutes. It was not a pleasant experience. All within a stones throw away from a nice and organized Harley dealer. The customer experience and the atmosphere at most Harley shops continues to be, from my experiences, far more pleasant at most Harley shops than most Indian dealers.

Going to an Indian dealer has become quite the opposite of going to most Harley dealers. And, IMHO, not in a good way.

Originally, Polaris wanted their Indian dealers to mimic Harley shops. The reality of economics has most certainly changed that.

Spot on. Harley shops/dealers are great people.....but....I suspect Indians are a whole lot more reliable and break less this making going to the shop less needed. Maybe Ole HD has something there......Rock On! ;-)

 

[jwfuchs1]

Spot on. Harley shops/dealers are great people.....but....I suspect Indians are a whole lot more reliable and break less this making going to the shop less needed. Maybe Ole HD has something there......Rock On! ;-)

Yep, it's going to cost you so much to fix your bike, but have a look at these nice new or barely used bikes while you decide to have your bike fixed. Customer finds a bike that catches their eye the salesman is now in action, we can give you top dollar for your broken down bike, hell we will even pay it off and roll over the payments on this one you're eyeing. Customer pace back and forth signs some paperwork and goes home on a different bike than he arrived on.

All while Harley knows they can repair the broken down one for cheap and resale it for more than they paid for it.

Harley has been able to keep a bike that leaks oil and breaks down (parade mode or turns off) when it's too hot for years. They learned how to sell junk and keep the customers coming back. They haven't been worried about improving their bikes until Victory appeared. Another American made v-twin that is a direct competitor for their biggest clients (1%ers). This made Harley shift gears for the better. Now Polaris buys Indian which was the original American made competition but never caught on like Harley. Few more years later they are having bagger races and now Harley has stepped up again with their new 2024 CVO that's full on performance.

I think Polaris knew the Victory name wouldn't defeat Harley, so that bought Indian just for the name. They know that most weekend warrior only buy motorcycle based off the name written on the tank. Everyone argued the fact that Victory was American made. No one says that about Indian because that name has been around since 1901 which was before Harley Davidson (1903).

 

[Bikesofbrads]

actually thinks there’s an Indian Motorcycle Company.

Oh no say it’s not so, next ur gonna say Santa isn’t real

the very reason I bought into the Victory brand.

I’m here for the kewlaids

I just cannot fathom spending my money on anything that I haven't explored to know if it will fit my wants and needs

Said Mag to the police officers questioning regarding his neighbors dogs buttholes, hey I’m just exploring my options over here!!!

 

[MagVic CCT]

Listen there's a family history with dogs and butt holes.....My dad confronted a neighbor once who, while walking his dog allowed said pooch to relieve himself next to our mail box. Told him, and I quote, "the next time he s^!ts next to my mail box I'm gonna wipe his a$$ with a 12 Ga." . So, don't look so innocent. I've heard about you helping push the sheep through the fence....

 

[Bikesofbrads]

I've heard about you helping push the sheep through the fence..

Times have changed, to keep them from running off the trick is to put their hind legs into tall rubber boots……like Madonna sang, that ain’t my baaahhby

 

[the_pivi]

This will sound ignorant but with all of the knowledge and talent and pure love for the ride on this forum and many others, has anyone tried to put a newer thunder stroke engine into a Vic frame? Are the dimensions close enough to do a small bit of "chop, cut, rebuild" fitment to make a FrankIndVic. If not, why? Guys are out there dropping TCs and Evos into whatever frames they can and Shovelheads are all the rave because Panheads are priced just out of ratrod budgets and that's if you're able to find a decent one but still... Why not get a little crazy and do rad sh!t? If I had the time, knowledge and space I'd be doing this kind of stuff. Money can always be had but knowledge takes time and that's very limited at the moment. I only have just enough of each to be a danger to myself. Like to see some of this come to fruition.
Now... Does anyone know how to make a drawing board and better yet, have somewhere for me to put it?

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

I’m not sure if or how Polaris changed the Victory Cross bike frame for the 108” Victory designed (PP) motor. My ‘guess’ would be they didn’t change it much but that’s only a WAG.

On the other hand, they had to add a water cooling radiator so who knows. The changes to the wiring harness are likely more than the frame.

 

[slickvic]

Why on earth would someone want to put a TS 111 or what ever on a Victory ? Maybe a PP 112 ?
Either way ….. I like that kind of stuff. Hell they live it in Cuba !