[Trappedinchitown]

To the OP, I've read all 12 pages of this thread and you've gotten the benefit from a lot of very knowledgeable people that have spent s**t tons of money acquiring that knowledge, one subject that has been somewhat neglected is exhaust. Just for fun go to Hammer performance and check out his exhaust comparison page. I've played with different exhaust on a lot of stuff over the years and it can make or break you when it comes to performance. The XL/Buell page is the best example.

Even though it wasn't touched on a ton here, I did research exhaust and discussed with NOEMTZ in great detail. Also did some research of my own and called the exhaust manufacturer for specifics, like is it triple stepped and what sizes are the pipes in each step.

NOEMTZ has worked with my exact exhaust at his shop and has recommended I keep it. He agrees the finish sucks on the pipes but if we'll taken care of they can last. He also said though that they do perform well.

Both he and the manufacturer of the pipes say they've seen failure as a result of poor tuning, basically they're getting way too hot because people slap em on and have to lean of a tune.

I am taking his advice and keeping the pipes. If they fail, or perform piss poor then my gamble didn't pay off and I'll have to replace them, but to be honest I will likely go with rpw slash exhaust because I want my bike to keep the look and character it has. Some ugly ass pipes might make a little more power than the slash but it's not worth it to me.

 

[MRMAXX]

1) I'm not crying.
2) I simply stated my personal opinion, your mileage may vary.
3) Feel free to tell us what you love about the V-Max, instead of posting sh!t like this and then complaining that you get a negative reaction.

what i like, is that my ever post gets a reaction from you...another one of my "followers"

Did I spell everything right? How was my grammar? Did I use the right punctuation....

 

[Half_Crazy]

what i like, is that my ever post gets a reaction from you...another one of my "followers"

Did I spell everything right? How was my grammar? Did I use the right punctuation....

You give yourself too much credit. You responded to my post... not the other way around. Should I accuse you of "following" me?

 

[MRMAXX]

Absolutely...especially your politically and religiously post.... those are the b e s t ....

 

[slickvic]

Having spent a decent amount of time on a V-Max making well in excess of 200 HP, I have to say it didn't do a damned thing for me. I thought the bike was heavy steering, the power was abrupt, it wasn't very comfortable, it had no utility, and really nothing about the bike made me want to own it. It was fast as stink... but no character/personality at all.

Bikes like that are swell, but when the swelling goes down the honeymoon is over. That bike has been sold 3 times since I was riding it. Seems no one has any love for it.

This is where Victory has done such a good job. Just about everyone I've known on a Victory has developed a love for their bike of some sort. This forum is living proof. They ( HD and Indian as examples) keep coming out with great new bikes yet many Vic owners still keep there's because there's no improvement.
Even The Challenger just isn't quite good enough.

 

[slickvic]

Even though it wasn't touched on a ton here, I did research exhaust and discussed with NOEMTZ in great detail. Also did some research of my own and called the exhaust manufacturer for specifics, like is it triple stepped and what sizes are the pipes in each step.

NOEMTZ has worked with my exact exhaust at his shop and has recommended I keep it. He agrees the finish sucks on the pipes but if we'll taken care of they can last. He also said though that they do perform well.

Both he and the manufacturer of the pipes say they've seen failure as a result of poor tuning, basically they're getting way too hot because people slap em on and have to lean of a tune.

I am taking his advice and keeping the pipes. If they fail, or perform piss poor then my gamble didn't pay off and I'll have to replace them, but to be honest I will likely go with rpw slash exhaust because I want my bike to keep the look and character it has. Some ugly ass pipes might make a little more power than the slash but it's not worth it to me.

The reason I went with plain old chrome D&D. They make power but they also look good too. They fit the bike and look like they belong there. I have seen performance exhaust on Vic baggers that look like no thought was put into put into the fitment. Gaps leading to different diameter muffler than the shield in front. Just terrible. HD would never stand for it.

 

[Half_Crazy]

Just proving a point...

Here's the specs for Lloydz .495 cams.
S&S Cycle 2009-Up S&S 495 Camshafts for Victory Motorcycles - Manual (Page 4)

This is why the specs are not publicized. The specs are unimpressive.

 

[MRMAXX]

Here's the specs for Lloydz .495 cams.
S&S Cycle 2009-Up S&S 495 Camshafts for Victory Motorcycles - Manual (Page 4)

This is why the specs are not publicized. They are unimpressive.

Ya I have that document, ripper it from S& S like you...nice cut and paste job

So the reason that "all" the Lloydz cams specs aren't publicised or available to his customers ...is the are "are unimpressive".

Interesting theory....

 

[Half_Crazy]

Ya I have that document, ripped it from S&S like you...nice cut and paste job
So the reason that "all" the Lloydz cams specs aren't publicized or available to his customers ...is they are "unimpressive".
Interesting theory....

Are you going to perceive a cam as a really good performance cam for your Victory when you look at the spec and see "Lift: .412"? After seeing Harley street cams starting at .585" and going to .640"?

Then there's guys like you who make a big deal out of the specs. No one wants you blasting it all over facebook that VM-1 cams are only .412" lift... and HPT cams are only .484" lift... so they don't publish the specs. The performance the cams give speaks for itself and are not reflective of the numbers. If you would holster your weapon for a minute and stop being so f**king adversarial, it makes perfect sense...

It wasn't a "cut and paste"... I posted a link to installation manuals for S&S parts.
Here's the stroker crank:
S&S Cycle 106 Stroker Hot Set Up Kit For Victory Freedom Engines - Manual (Page 2)

Here's the big bore kit:
S&S Cycle 114 Big Bore Kit for Victory Motorcycles - Manual (Page 2)

Do the pictures look familiar? They look just like the ones on the Lloydz website to me... 'magine that.

 

[slickvic]

The Lloydz cam swap with managed fuel and air can deliver 20 to 30 hp in some stock motors. Hardly unimpressive.

 

[benawhati]

The Lloydz cam swap with managed fuel and air can deliver 20 to 30 hp in some stock motors. Hardly unimpressive.

That's roughly what, a 40% increase in HP? Seems pretty decent to me.

 

[Half_Crazy]

The Lloydz cam swap with managed fuel and air can deliver 20 to 30 hp in some stock motors. Hardly unimpressive.

Hey... I said THE SPECS are unimpressive.

 

[Half_Crazy]

That's roughly what, a 40% increase in HP? Seems pretty decent to me.

Not you too....
You guys totally missed the point here. Please read what I wrote again... slowly...

Maxx has made a big deal that Lloyd doesn't PUBLISH the cam SPECIFICATIONS. I offered an explanation as to WHY that is.

Compared to say, a Black Widow Harley cam that is .630" lift, a Lloydz HPT cam at .484" lift LOOKS LIKE A PUSSY CAM.

YES, the performance of the cams from Lloydz speak for themselves, they are obviously doing the job... IN SPITE OF THE UNIMPRESSIVE SPECS.

 

[benawhati]

Not you too....
You guys totally missed the point here. Please read what I wrote again... slowly...

Maxx has made a big deal that Lloyd doesn't PUBLISH the cam SPECIFICATIONS. I offered an explanation as to WHY that is.

Compared to say, a Black Widow Harley cam that is .630" lift, a Lloydz HPT cam at .484" lift LOOKS LIKE A PUSSY CAM.

YES, the performance of the cams from Lloydz speak for themselves, they are obviously doing the job... IN SPITE OF THE UNIMPRESSIVE SPECS.

Got it, weekend brain fog is finally starting to lift...

 

[slickvic]

Yeah I got it too. The comment I made wasn’t directed to you but since you pointed out that the SPECS ARE UN IMPRESSIVE .....well I agree. My comment was meant to say .......
As unimpressive as they are they sure make a victory perform well.

 

[slickvic]

Got it, weekend brain fog is finally starting to lift...

Yes me too. I responded to an email rather than read the thread. I'm sorry HC. I was up till 1:30 again.
Ben ..... tell HC your sorry too.

 

[wvrider1]

Not you too....
You guys totally missed the point here. Please read what I wrote again... slowly...

Maxx has made a big deal that Lloyd doesn't PUBLISH the cam SPECIFICATIONS. I offered an explanation as to WHY that is.

Compared to say, a Black Widow Harley cam that is .630" lift, a Lloydz HPT cam at .484" lift LOOKS LIKE A PUSSY CAM.

YES, the performance of the cams from Lloydz speak for themselves, they are obviously doing the job... IN SPITE OF THE UNIMPRESSIVE SPECS.

At what point is it to much lift for the factory springs? I could be wrong but didn't you need better springs with your cams?

 

[MRMAXX]

Not you too....
You guys totally missed the point here. Please read what I wrote again... slowly...

Maxx has made a big deal that Lloyd doesn't PUBLISH the cam SPECIFICATIONS. I offered an explanation as to WHY that is.

Compared to say, a Black Widow Harley cam that is .630" lift, a Lloydz HPT cam at .484" lift LOOKS LIKE A PUSSY CAM.

YES, the performance of the cams from Lloydz speak for themselves, they are obviously doing the job... IN SPITE OF THE UNIMPRESSIVE SPECS.

I really don't care if they are published...but is is fun seeing so many get there panties in a bind over it.

What annoyed me was when my engine building call over to them and they wouldn't give him the info...and he "was" a customer of theirs...

They just wanted to verify what they already know about what was in my engine, so they could plan accordingly. Not the end of the world that they didn't have the specs...but the courtesy should have been extended. Regardless we ended up going a different direction anyway...

So at this point I'm at 140/140...think that's about it for a 117 BB in a XC...except if a power adder is added. ...

 

[Half_Crazy]

At what point is it to much lift for the factory springs? I could be wrong but didn't you need better springs with your cams?

Yes. you technically should use improved spring even with th he HPTs, but you don't have to.

 

[Trappedinchitown]

Not sure who's still following, but I finished the install of the 501 cams and the torque tubes intake. Got her back together and running. Couldn't have done it without NOEMTZ and I'll be getting his remote tune hopefully this weekend.

Can't wait to feel the difference.