[slickvic]

Isn't Norway's average temperature cooler than the U.S.A. due to being more northerly? Unless you only run June to August, I'm also not convinced a heavier oil is best in the long run.
I use Amsoil 10w/40 metric but all year long in Illinois. (Yes, I ride in the winter). Changed a clutch @ 170k miles and now at 190k miles and still no complaints. It does have a PCV and a timing wheel. I do have lower air deflectors that I only turn in above 80F.

That Amsoil metric 10/40 did me good for almost 20k. Then I got scared after I was told by a known source “ better get it out of there or your clutch will slip “. Truth is Amsoil is in the game a long time. There R&D is about as good as it gets. As is Spectro another long time powersports oil developer. So in a big bore motor ? What to run ? The 60 weight runs the motor quieter ? I can see that. Still I would try the Amsoil 15/60 almost immediately before I would ever run a straight 60. Especially in colder climates. Down here we run 20/50 in the summer. Doesn’t matter what brand of semisyn oil as long as it’s Spectro or Actevo. Both do our bikes well. Regarding Full synthetic? Amsoil is the only brand I would run in that arena. There’s a reason they don’t make a semisynthetic oil and it because what they do make will work if they say it will. There is a 20/40 spec’d for Victory and pretty sure the 15/60 is also. Not sure about a 20/50 but I wouldn’t hesitate on Amsoil. I’m just happy with Spectro Golden 4 semi syn. 20/40
And 20/50. If it’s good for Noe ! It’s good for me.

 

[1stVictory]

If the API label on the oil bottle says ENERGY CONSERVING, don’t use it. It has friction modifiers that will make the clutch slip. It’s as easy as that.

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

Yea, I know, oil company Marketing will never lie or ‘bend the truth’. Oil sponsorship is simply free oil for the race team so they ‘swear by it’. Nothing more.

The Victory 106” engine, transmission and oil cooling system was designed to run a semi synthetic 20W/40 JASO-MA/2 motorcycle specific oil. Period.

I run Ultra 1Plus semi synthetic JASO-MA/2 10W40 in the colder months or a their 20W/50 in the hotter Summer months in my Hard-Ball. So, I’m slightly off of the recommendation. My CCT continues on with the tried and true Victory Motorcycle oil.

I think we’ve read more clutch slipping issues with Amsoil full synthetic oil than any other brand. Hmm. A ‘pattern’? Yes.

A straight weight, 60 or other, by any manufacturer in a Victory 106”? Never in mine! Nothing in the 106” engine, transmission or oil cooling system was ever intended for that option. Nothing. Will it work? For a time, yes. But so would corn oil or olive oil. For a time. And some owner who thinks they outsmarted every engineer ever associated with the product will claim it works great. Until it no longer does.

 

[slickvic]

Yea, I know, oil company Marketing will never lie or ‘bend the truth’. Oil sponsorship is simply free oil for the race team so they ‘swear by it’. Nothing more.

The Victory 106” engine, transmission and oil cooling system was designed to run a semi synthetic 20W/40 JASO-MA/2 motorcycle specific oil. Period.

I run Ultra 1Plus semi synthetic JASO-MA/2 10W40 in the colder months or a their 20W/50 in the hotter Summer months in my Hard-Ball. So, I’m slightly off of the recommendation. My CCT continues on with the tried and true Victory Motorcycle oil.

I think we’ve read more clutch slipping issues with Amsoil full synthetic oil than any other brand. Hmm. A ‘pattern’? Yes.

A straight weight, 60 or other, by any manufacturer in a Victory 106”? Never in mine! Nothing in the 106” engine, transmission or oil cooling system was ever intended for that option. Nothing. Will it work? For a time, yes. But so would corn oil or olive oil. For a time. And some owner who thinks they outsmarted every engineer ever associated with the product will claim it works great. Until it no longer does.

Sorry Mark. The engine and transmission thrives on supreme lubrication. It’s the wimpy clutch that begs to have the grab when all the power is put to the wheel. It’s the clutch ! Period ! It’s the clutch that slips ! Period !
Then engine and transmission will not not fail because you used a superior synthetic oil.

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

Except that ‘wimpy’ Victory OEM clutch can easily go past 125K miles even on a bike with engine mods etc.

Sorry, your marketing nonsense fantasy doesn’t match my firsthand experience.

I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt your bs boutique oil doesn’t lock up as good as Vic oil in my own CCT.

I followed your bs marketing hype and changed to your bs boutique oil. My CCT clutch slipped. Nothing else changed on my CCT except the oil.

My clutch did not slip on Vic oil. It did slip on Golden Spectro bs boutique oil. Period.

I had to add even more freeplay to stop the slipping. Then I went back to good oil Victory oil in the CCT and no more slipping clutch.

I could care less who sells it, recommends it or regurgitates their bs marketing. That bs boutique oil failed where Victory oil continues to work (lock up & not slip) great.

 

[slickvic]

Except that ‘wimpy’ Victory OEM clutch can easily go past 125K miles even on a bike with engine mods etc.

Sorry, your marketing nonsense fantasy doesn’t match my firsthand experience.

I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt your bs boutique oil doesn’t lock up as good as Vic oil in my own CCT.

I followed your bs marketing hype and changed to your bs boutique oil. My CCT clutch slipped. Nothing else changed on my CCT except the oil.

My clutch did not slip on Vic oil. It did slip on Golden Spectro bs boutique oil. Period.

I had to add even more freeplay to stop the slipping. Then I went back to good oil Victory oil in the CCT and no more slipping clutch.

I could care less who sells it, recommends it or regurgitates their bs marketing. That bs boutique oil failed where Victory oil continues to work (lock up & not slip) great.

And in your case only…… you are truly the only one I have heard this from. Why so angry Mark?

Spectro is far from a boutique oil company. Look them up . The history alone as well as the track record in that company says who they are. The fact that many of our trusted motorcycle mechanics for all brands of motorcycles not just Victory recommends this oil over most brands. There is no boutique about it. Many here have excellent results using it. I don’t understand why you get so bent out of shape and have to respond the way that you do. I’m not shoving anything down anyone’s throat and could care less what anybody uses, but you apparently have a hot spot for busting my chops every time I mention Spectro oil. These conversations are in good fun and try to be educational especially for newcomers who don’t know what to use. The fact that you seem to be the only one that changed your oil brand close to 100,000 miles and had a problem sends what message ? The oil is bad oil ? No sir. It was the wrong choice at the wrong time. Give it a rest already.

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

Not angry at all, just reporting and separating facts from bs marketing.

I’m as pleased as can be with my oil choices but I don’t feel the need to continually regurgitate any oil companies bs marketing.

 

[slickvic]

So in favor of our Victory Clutch it is recommended to use semisynthetic obviously because the clutch could slip otherwise. Especially if “Worn”, glazed, abused, and most importantly and likely the cause ….mis adjustment.

If you are a calm rider and do not over load the bike with excess weight and are an expert at keeping your clutch adjusted ?
Then there are some full synthetic oils ( the term full is to be determined ) that have worked for many that have more miles on their bikes than most. The only benefit here is you are getting the best possible lubrication and protection for the motor internals and the gear driven transmission. Provided you are using a spec recommended by victory which is 10/40, 20/40, 20/50

My friend John comes to mind. Victory Vision 75k on Amsoil. John was one of the original victory mechanics to come out of spirit lake. Now retired and in his 70’s still rides his victory on occasion and always said. Wet clutch oil and stick with what you choose. If you change from Victory oil change early and stick with it.
NMike …. No one rides like this man !
Red line (tier 5 ) full synthetic ! IDK 100k miles?
Well that speaks loads and today still uses Redline. Why ? It works

Ive heard Rylan Voss say it on a YouTube
video that the clutch in our full dress bikes and baggers are adequate at most. They are the same clutch that was used in a much lighter steel frame bike. So when Victory built the bagger bikes and vision they must of felt the clutch was adequate but the steel frames came first.
Then the much heavier bikes came along and well the clutch was never updated. So in defense of mechanics like Noe and Rylan they will always recommend semi synthetic. It’s a safer bet for only the clutch. Otherwise take your chances on the more expensive full synthetic Jaso ma/2 oils but you better be sure you’re not exhibiting the criteria I mentioned above. Over load the bike, poor riding habits and clutch adjustment.

 

[slickvic]

Not angry at all, just reporting and separating facts from bs marketing.

I’m as pleased as can be with my oil choices but I don’t feel the need to continually regurgitate any oil companies bs marketing.

 

[slickvic]

Fact …./ under normal riding conditions , with proper clutch adjustment, steel frame bikes, exhibit, less clutch slippage situation than the. much heavier touring/bagger bikes.

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

Fact …./ under normal riding conditions , with proper clutch adjustment, steel frame bikes, exhibit, less clutch slippage situation than the. much heavier touring/bagger bikes.

Agree.

My CCT clutch never, ever, not even once slipped until I put Spectro Golden oil in the bike.

Since going back to Vic oil, it’s never, ever, not even once slipped again.

Coincidence? Not likely.

Only one change was made to go from not slipping to some slipping.

 

[Meisen]

My clutch is not slipping, so no problem there

 

[badtoejam]

My clutch slipped with amsoil, but does not with spectro golden - go figure.....

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

That’s the point. Just because someone constantly regurgitates marketing and spin, doesn’t make it true.

It may be true for them. But no oil is the be all and end all for everyone and every application.

If you want to test ‘lockup’ with your oil:

At a steady 85mph or 90mph in 6th gear, quickly twist and hold the throttle to full lock.

My CCT with Vic oil = full lockup/no slipping.

My CCT under far less strenuous riding conditions, like at 70mph in 5th gear with Spectro Golden = slipping.

That’s why I can state without hesitation that Victory oil locks up much better than Spectro Golden.

Others can have a different experience and that’s fine with me.

 

[badtoejam]

BTW - I'm running a big bore 116...

 

[slickvic]

Not understanding the regurgitation comment or the marketing spin comment. I do understand one thing. All jaso ma2 oils are wet clutch compatible. However Not all clutches are Jaso ma2 acceptable. Not all clutches wear the same. Not all clutches have had the same oil used for nearly 100k miles. Not all riders ride the same.
I do understand that if a new oil is chosen and a change is made after nearly 100k miles of using the same oil …. slippage can occur. Lord knows we all know this by now.
There are many choices out there. Ive said it before ….. if what you use works then stick with it especially if you have a higher mileage bike with a worn clutch. Your clutch could be glazed to the point where it will only accept the same oil with the same additives that is glazed into those fibers.
So If your changing a worn or glazed clutch and your going with a company like Alto ? Then pick your oil and soak your clutches over night in the same oil you plan on sticking with so you can enjoy many miles to come.
Clutch slippage is due to clutch fibers beginning to glaze or are already severely glazed. Causes range from issues like abuse, wrong non Jaso wet clutch oil , high mileage, and experimenting with different oils. Not to mention improper clutch adjustment. Oh yeah thats a big one.

While full synthetic premium Jaso oils with boutique stamped on the bottle that are usually followed by regurgitated marketing and advertisement with lots of spin may be the best for your motor and transmission ?That particular full synthetic premium boutique Jaso ma2 oil may not be the best choice for your worn out glazed clutch. So this would be the reason victory mechanics such as Rylan, and Noe would recommend a semisynthetic Jaso ma2 oil or Victory oil because it is a safe bet for your clutch only.
Your motor deserves better but your motor will survive just fine on semisynthetic with early oil changes at no more than 3k intervals. Remember we share the same oil with that gear driven tranny. Shear is a reality. …. Oh and yes there have been clutch failures also with just using Victory oil. I know ….. Right ? Can you believe it ?
The cause ? Not the oil. It usually isn’t. It’s likely one of the other reasons mentioned above.
No hype here ….. no regurgitation or marketing spin cause old slick doesn’t care what you use……just fact.

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

I had about 60K miles on the CCT when I tried Spectro Golden and had clutch slippage. I went back to Vic oil and I haven’t had another skip yet. The CCT is now over 101K miles.

I have always changed my oil and filter every 2500 miles. Vic oil has been back in the CCT for the last 40K miles.

So the superior ‘your motor deserves better’ oil slipped. Where the lowest bid into Polaris by LubeTech Vic oil has never slipped.

In my experience the Vic oil obviously locks up the transmission better than the Spectro Golden.

I will most certainly not use Spectro Golden when I end up changing the OEM CCT clutch for another OEM clutch. Why would I, my experience with it was failure.

What worries me for other Victory owners is the near constant drumbeat at nearly every opportunity to suggest the ‘superior’ Spectro Golden.

Like I said, I don’t care who suggests it, who sells it or who uses it and regurgitates their ‘small batch’ marketing etc.

When I do have to replace the CCT OEM clutch for another OEM clutch, I’ll make an oil determination at that time. So far, I’m as pleased as can be with the Ultra 1Plus I’m using in the Hard-Ball.

The Hard-Ball had 35K miles on it when bought it and started using Ultra 1Plus.

Guess what; Ultra 1Plus has never, not even once slipped on that 35K mile partially worn OEM clutch.

That is, in my book, a successful oil brand changeover.

 

[slickvic]

Why would a Jaso ma2 oil cause slippage in a 35k mile bike. Semi synthetic or full synthetic ?…. I listed the reasons. Golden Spectro is not the premium oil choice. It’s semi synthetic. There is platinum full synthetic however that is considered their premium blend. Everyone has different experiences when switching from the LubeTech brand. Some better some worse. I’m sorry yours was a failure Mark. You’re the only one I know that has experienced this. I would believe maybe that your clutch just loved Vic oil and at 2500 mile change intervals your bike has never seen or felt the oil actually fail it.
Vic oil is expensive today as any top tier brand. So why not just stick with it if you’re willing to spend the $$. Personally I’m looking at the Actevo at $6 a quart that 4 of my Vic compadres are running and yes they change oil every 2500 to 3k. Now that makes sense for the $$ invested.

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

Trying Spectro Golden caused clutch slippage at 60K miles. (CCT)

Trying Ultra 1Plus did not cause any clutch slippage at 35K miles. (Hard-Ball)

These are simple factual realities from my own two bikes.

I have four Vic oil change kits left. I likely will not pay to purchase more.

So, at 112,500 miles, my CCT will very likely switch to Ultra 1Plus. Why? It’s about $35 per oil change and I trust it.

 

[slickvic]

Trying Spectro Golden caused clutch slippage at 60K miles. (CCT)

Trying Ultra 1Plus did not cause any clutch slippage at 35K miles. (Hard-Ball)

These are simple factual realities from my own two bikes.

I have four Vic oil change kits left. I likely will not pay to purchase more.

So, at 112,500 miles, my CCT will very likely switch to Ultra 1Plus. Why? It’s about $35 per oil change and I trust it.

I would be curious to see how ultra 1 does in a bike with 112k that is coming off Vic oil . If you’re willing to take the chance that is. At this point it’s all about the money. I would stay with Vic oil and see just how long that bike can go on that stock clutch. Screw the money stick with Vic oil.