[Chattanooga_Mark]

Low bid 'Indian Oil' from LubeTech.
The only oil specifically engineered for an Indian, or a Victory.

 

[ForestGiant]

More info.

My gosh this is one tough Son of a Gun. Never heard of Mytonic Dystrophy.

 

[rebellangley]

I posted about this guy and his Indian Pursuit somewhere here but I don't remember where. Apparently he went through 4 fuel pumps because he was riding through the summer deserts during the day. He could handle it but the fuel pump's could not. Something to be aware of when riding an Indian I guess. Maybe Polaris will upgrade the fuel pumps and even offer to replace the existing ones. Either way, this was an amazing accomplishment by anyone, let alone a senior.

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From what I read the fuel pumps were in the auxiliary gas tanks, not the pump in the original tank.

 

[Larcan]

Something that nobody talked about is what seat was this guy using and how was the longevity of it ✌

 

[BBob]

Other than some different styling I'm convinced Indian is really just Victory 2.0 which makes sense. Same parent company. Look at these aftermarket police style bag guards. Same as for the Victory XC.

 

[slickvic]

Other than some different styling I'm convinced Indian is really just Victory 2.0 which makes sense. Same parent company. Look at these aftermarket police style bag guards. Same as for the Victory XC.

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Remove the painted parts and have a good study of what’s underneath and yes you will see a ton of Victory dna. The motor is the jewel and to this day the V-Twin to beat. I e ridden both the Chieftain and the Challenger. While some prefer the Challenger I fit the Chieftain PP very well. The new Chieftan PP comes in both 108 and 112. Tuning and cam profile has made the 112 a better performer however the 108 still holds its own well.
The Chieftain PP models to me remind me more of XC than anything else be ridden. I’m wondering if they will make 21” front wheel version to mimic the Magnums ?
I think the big wheel trend is pretty much over as the custom stereo / paint show bikes tool that style over. Now it’s the power sport bagger that’s popular. Higher bags and exhaust ( ground clearance) updated suspensions, big motors with higher rev characteristics while still providing more plenty of low end grunt.
It’s a great time for motorcycle style and the Hatfields and the McCoys are still at it.
Unfortunately the price keeps going up so finding that 2 year old garage queen PP in some retired riders garage could be the way to go but I’m seeing these bikes hold their value pretty well as do the newer Harley’s. So there may not be a bargain to be had. Anything over 5 yrs just isn’t desirable to most anymore mostly due to the improvements of both these brands all around.

 

[BBob]

Remove the painted parts and have a good study of what’s underneath and yes you will see a ton of Victory dna. The motor is the jewel and to this day the V-Twin to beat. I e ridden both the Chieftain and the Challenger. While some prefer the Challenger I fit the Chieftain PP very well. The new Chieftan PP comes in both 108 and 112. Tuning and cam profile has made the 112 a better performer however the 108 still holds its own well.
The Chieftain PP models to me remind me more of XC than anything else be ridden. I’m wondering if they will make 21” front wheel version to mimic the Magnums ?
I think the big wheel trend is pretty much over as the custom stereo / paint show bikes tool that style over. Now it’s the power sport bagger that’s popular. Higher bags and exhaust ( ground clearance) updated suspensions, big motors with higher rev characteristics while still providing more plenty of low end grunt.
It’s a great time for motorcycle style and the Hatfields and the McCoys are still at it.
Unfortunately the price keeps going up so finding that 2 year old garage queen PP in some retired riders garage could be the way to go but I’m seeing these bikes hold their value pretty well as do the newer Harley’s. So there may not be a bargain to be had. Anything over 5 yrs just isn’t desirable to most anymore mostly due to the improvements of both these brands all around.

I doubt anyone could have summed this up any better. Well done!

The good news is I'm not most people. I don't balk at buying a 5, 10, or even 15 year old car, truck, or bike if the condition is good enough and the mileage is low enough. I doubt you would either.

Here's a good example but I'm not in the market right now. As you said, you can see the Victory DNA if you look closely.

2018 Indian Motorcycle® Chieftain® Limited ABS - motorcycles/scooters - by dealer - vehicle automotive sale - craigslist

2018 Indian Motorcycle® Chieftain® Limited ABS Bronze Smoke with Graphics Build your legend as the leader of the pack. There's one in every pack. At the front. Take the lead with Chieftain Limited....

inlandempire.craigslist.org

 

[NY mike]

Remove the painted parts and have a good study of what’s underneath and yes you will see a ton of Victory dna. The motor is the jewel and to this day the V-Twin to beat. I e ridden both the Chieftain and the Challenger. While some prefer the Challenger I fit the Chieftain PP very well. The new Chieftan PP comes in both 108 and 112. Tuning and cam profile has made the 112 a better performer however the 108 still holds its own well.
The Chieftain PP models to me remind me more of XC than anything else be ridden. I’m wondering if they will make 21” front wheel version to mimic the Magnums ?
I think the big wheel trend is pretty much over as the custom stereo / paint show bikes tool that style over. Now it’s the power sport bagger that’s popular. Higher bags and exhaust ( ground clearance) updated suspensions, big motors with higher rev characteristics while still providing more plenty of low end grunt.
It’s a great time for motorcycle style and the Hatfields and the McCoys are still at it.
Unfortunately the price keeps going up so finding that 2 year old garage queen PP in some retired riders garage could be the way to go but I’m seeing these bikes hold their value pretty well as do the newer Harley’s. So there may not be a bargain to be had. Anything over 5 yrs just isn’t desirable to most anymore mostly due to the improvements of both these brands all around.

Well slick then there’s guys like me lol I will buy a 4 to 7 year-old bike with under 10,000 miles in a heartbeat. Especially the ones that have about $38-$40,000 in them. I’m not real big anymore on the power thing, the 111 motor has proved itself to me two times over and I’m good with it. Hell I think about the early 80s when I ran coast to coast on a 80 cubic
inch shovelhead with nothing but a marine radio I installed in the fairing that didn’t half the time and the throttle lock living life having a great time. All the new technology from 2020 up I have no use for it makes for so many electrical gremlins from what I read on all of these sites, Polaris or Harley Davidson. Cruise ABS a decent radio And tire monitor system im good keep the rest. The 116 thunderstroke runs hotter then hell I understand from talking to people that ran the 111 thunderstroke prior. It’s like the one I bought in January 2019 with under 10,000 miles and the guy had $38,000 in this bike cams, breather pipes, cams etc. etc. for $14,500. That’s the stuff I jump on now.. now two years down the road a low mileage 112 power stroke and a chieftain at the right number will definitely get my attention. Other than that, I’ll never buy anything other than a 2018 to a 2020 with a locomotive fairing. After that, there’s so much BS on there I want nothing to do with. lol now they all have Lean
assist and brake assist and whatever you know what I’ll ride my own motorcycle thank you very much without your help. Anymore cams breather and pipes. I’m good all day long lol more power than I’ve ever experienced in my life and I’m good with that too. Not to mention the reliability is fantastic.

 

[slickvic]

Well slick then there’s guys like me lol I will buy a 4 to 7 year-old bike with under 10,000 miles in a heartbeat. Especially the ones that have about $38-$40,000 in them. I’m not real big anymore on the power thing, the 111 motor has proved itself to me two times over and I’m good with it. Hell I think about the early 80s when I ran coast to coast on a 80 cubic
inch shovelhead with nothing but a marine radio I installed in the fairing that didn’t half the time and the throttle lock living life having a great time. All the new technology from 2020 up I have no use for it makes for so many electrical gremlins from what I read on all of these sites, Polaris or Harley Davidson. Cruise ABS a decent radio And tire monitor system im good keep the rest. The 116 thunderstroke runs hotter then hell I understand from talking to people that ran the 111 thunderstroke prior. It’s like the one I bought in January 2019 with under 10,000 miles and the guy had $38,000 in this bike cams, breather pipes, cams etc. etc. for $14,500. That’s the stuff I jump on now.. now two years down the road a low mileage 112 power stroke and a chieftain at the right number will definitely get my attention. Other than that, I’ll never buy anything other than a 2018 to a 2020 with a locomotive fairing. After that, there’s so much BS on there I want nothing to with. lol now they all have Lean
assist and brake assist and whatever you know what I’ll ride my own motorcycle thank you very much without your help. Anymore cams breather and pipes. I’m good all day long lol more power than I’ve ever experienced in my life and I’m good with that too. Not to mention the reliability is fantastic.

I get all of that and those were the good days. When I ride my 14 year old XC I really want for nothing. I’m couldn’t be more satisfied. I’d take it anywhere.

 

[IndyVictory]

He is still going because people kept donating money.

Best unofficial advertisement that Indian could ask for and they didn't bother to mention it on their social media until he was nearly done with the 125k.

He is on track to do 145k miles in 145 days.

 

[satxron]

Just trying to do the math. 14 hours a day to make it 1000 miles at a constant 70mph. Leaving 10 hours for stops along the way and a nap. Numerous tire changes and the few pumps. So, 4-5 hours a day sleep for 4 months. You can't average more than 70mph because of slow downs, construction, detours., more gas etc. Wow!

I hope Indian donated a new bike to him and money for his cause.

 

[NY mike]

Just trying to do the math. 14 hours a day to make it 1000 miles at a constant 70mph. Leaving 10 hours for stops along the way and a nap. Numerous tire changes and the few pumps. So, 4-5 hours a day sleep for 4 months. You can't average more than 70mph because of slow downs, construction, detours., more gas etc. Wow!

I hope Indian donated a new bike to him and money for his cause.

He also had a fuel auxiliary tank that automatically transferred to the bikes gas tank. This gave him 10.5 gallons to run on. Thats a big plus for sure. I know at 80 mph I hover right around 40 mpg

 

[satxron]

He also had a fuel auxiliary tank that automatically transferred to the bikes gas tank. This gave him 10.5 gallons to run on. Thats a big plus for sure. I know at 80 mph I hover right around 40 mpg

Oh, I know but all it takes is an hour of road construction, slow speeds and traffic stopped and you erase progress. Then there is biological needs like food, drink, stretch, men's room. Hours getting tires replaced, replacing pumps. For 4 months. Its amazing.

 

[md2420]

I did ONE iron butt ride as part of my bucket list, but that was enough for me. Too much go and not enough slow/show to enjoy the ride. I wouldn’t do it again unless I had to.

here are the specs I saved. It was all freeway covering AZ and NM. Oh! I did meet @BrotherWind at a stop on that ride, so that was an added bonus!

IBA RIDE: SADDLESORE 1000

Unofficial Stats (Sep 26, 2020)

• 1,116 miles traveled
• 18hrs 6 mins start to finish
• 46.9 avg mpg
• 74.0 avg mph
• $81.39 total gas cost
• 2 states and 2 time zones
• 9 stops in 8 cities
• Temp range from 58* to 102*

 

[NY mike]

Oh, I know but all it takes is an hour of road construction, slow speeds and traffic stopped and you erase progress. Then there is biological needs like food, drink, stretch, men's room. Hours getting tires replaced, replacing pumps. For 4 months. Its amazing.

oh im not saying it’s not believe me lol Ive done enough 1000 mile days to know what one is like……. And I’ve never done 2 in a row for a reason 😉

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

Well slick then there’s guys like me lol I will buy a 4 to 7 year-old bike with under 10,000 miles in a heartbeat. Especially the ones that have about $38-$40,000 in them. I’m not real big anymore on the power thing, the 111 motor has proved itself to me two times over and I’m good with it. Hell I think about the early 80s when I ran coast to coast on a 80 cubic
inch shovelhead with nothing but a marine radio I installed in the fairing that didn’t half the time and the throttle lock living life having a great time. All the new technology from 2020 up I have no use for it makes for so many electrical gremlins from what I read on all of these sites, Polaris or Harley Davidson. Cruise ABS a decent radio And tire monitor system im good keep the rest. The 116 thunderstroke runs hotter then hell I understand from talking to people that ran the 111 thunderstroke prior. It’s like the one I bought in January 2019 with under 10,000 miles and the guy had $38,000 in this bike cams, breather pipes, cams etc. etc. for $14,500. That’s the stuff I jump on now.. now two years down the road a low mileage 112 power stroke and a chieftain at the right number will definitely get my attention. Other than that, I’ll never buy anything other than a 2018 to a 2020 with a locomotive fairing. After that, there’s so much BS on there I want nothing to do with. lol now they all have Lean
assist and brake assist and whatever you know what I’ll ride my own motorcycle thank you very much without your help. Anymore cams breather and pipes. I’m good all day long lol more power than I’ve ever experienced in my life and I’m good with that too. Not to mention the reliability is fantastic.

Mike,

100%. I'm convinced the latest Victory's were so darn good and reliable was, in part, they only the fully tried and true electrics: EFI, ABS and Cruise Control. A radio on the CCT. That's all I ever wanted as well. Everyone who wants the electronic wizardry can most certainly have it. But, it often comes at a tremendous cost when it doesn't work right.

80" motors. I'm a couple weeks away from bringing home a 2016 Moto Guzzi Eldorado 1400. It has all the go faster, run cooler stuff that can be done. About +20 Hp and +20 Trq, right in the middle of that wide and table top flat torque line. Right where the bike is used 80%+ of the time. They also come with more electronic wizardry than I care for. Three modes, adjustable traction control etc.

Did I buy it right according to you (and my) goal? Yup, The guy I'm buying if from paid $1500 more for it in 2022 than I'm paying him for it. Plus he has receipts for $12K, yes, $12K in parts and work he had done to it. And, the bike only has 1342 total miles.

It's going to be quite crowed in the garage until the world's most enhanced 2013 Victory Hard-Ball finds its new owner.

 

[slickvic]

I had this conversation yesterday with a bud who needed an AC service call. It went from discussing the simplicity of his system compared to higher tech systems available today that many seek to the complexity of a motorcycle. He’s a Harley Rider / owner and his take on the new baggers is “ no way “ will he own one. The all electronic dash and ride modes with electronic suspension adjustments all adds up to a huge repair bill when they fail.
All these years we have ridden thousands of miles with on bikes with analog gauges. Standard disc brakes ( no abs ) and throttle by hand. The wire harness (1) never an issue. The gauges always work. The lighting simple and easy to add more for visibility. The Victory Baggers ended an era of simplicity and Indian went and made their bikes into 2 wheeled auto mobiles. Harley followed suit only to compete.
You need a shop with a computer programmed to even look at these bikes. Sure Victory needed the wrench program for the ECU but there really never an issue there. Especially if you Maximus tune it and lock it.
When someone owns the same bike for 14 years and looks forward still to every ride on it ? I’m call that success. I’m pretty much done with wanting anything else than what I ride.
If they ever make again a bare bones ballsy bagger that I can make my own ( think 8 ball XC, or HD Electra Glide ) then I could be tempted. Keep all the sensors and technology in these new bikes. I’m not interested. Sure when I rode the new PP112 I was impressed but that is as far as that ride went. Once you come back to reality it’s the cost involved to purchase and to maintain. I’ve read enough about it on both Indian and HD.
I will be that guy that shows up on his 20yr old XC / Magnum with pride.

 

[NY mike]

Mike,

100%. I'm convinced the latest Victory's were so darn good and reliable was, in part, they only the fully tried and true electrics: EFI, ABS and Cruise Control. A radio on the CCT. That's all I ever wanted as well. Everyone who wants the electronic wizardry can most certainly have it. But, it often comes at a tremendous cost when it doesn't work right.

80" motors. I'm a couple weeks away from bringing home a 2016 Moto Guzzi Eldorado 1400. It has all the go faster, run cooler stuff that can be done. About +20 Hp and +20 Trq, right in the middle of that wide and table top flat torque line. Right where the bike is used 80%+ of the time. They also come with more electronic wizardry than I care for. Three modes, adjustable traction control etc.

Did I buy it right according to you (and my) goal? Yup, The guy I'm buying if from paid $1500 more for it in 2022 than I'm paying him for it. Plus he has receipts for $12K, yes, $12K in parts and work he had done to it. And, the bike only has 1342 total miles.

It's going to be quite crowed in the garage until the world's most enhanced 2013 Victory Hard-Ball finds its new owner.

Sweet deal all day ! Yep what you mentioned is all I need also and that’s why as I said as far as Indian goes 2018 to 2020 is my sweet spot

 

[BBob]

Mike,

100%. I'm convinced the latest Victory's were so darn good and reliable was, in part, they only the fully tried and true electrics: EFI, ABS and Cruise Control. A radio on the CCT. That's all I ever wanted as well. Everyone who wants the electronic wizardry can most certainly have it. But, it often comes at a tremendous cost when it doesn't work right.

80" motors. I'm a couple weeks away from bringing home a 2016 Moto Guzzi Eldorado 1400. It has all the go faster, run cooler stuff that can be done. About +20 Hp and +20 Trq, right in the middle of that wide and table top flat torque line. Right where the bike is used 80%+ of the time. They also come with more electronic wizardry than I care for. Three modes, adjustable traction control etc.

Did I buy it right according to you (and my) goal? Yup, The guy I'm buying if from paid $1500 more for it in 2022 than I'm paying him for it. Plus he has receipts for $12K, yes, $12K in parts and work he had done to it. And, the bike only has 1342 total miles.

It's going to be quite crowed in the garage until the world's most enhanced 2013 Victory Hard-Ball finds its new owner.

I've oftern yearned for a Moto-Guzzi. I have some Italian heritage so that probably has something to do with it. I remember a guy from 35 years ago riding around all over town on an old MG even for those days and it just kept on chugging along. He said it liked it because it was simple to work on but I think most old iron was that way. What I liked was that it was reliable. To me reliability is the most important thing in any car, truck, or bike I own. It's a big reason I have been riding Victory's, almost exclusively, for 15 years now.

 

[slickvic]

I still dig the ThunderStroke. Really liked 116 in a SpringField I rode. That bike was one of the nicest smoothest and best handling bikes 🚲 ve ever ridden. So much so that I considered buying one. Having 2 fairing baggers I didn’t need a 3rd but an in the wind classic looking ride like the Springfield all done in Chrome was a jewel. Now they are blacked out …. Smoothed out and come in matte flat finishes.
Not even sure if you can get a black or Springfield blue and chrome model anymore.
Such a wonderful design for what Imdian was supposed to be. Nostalgia. Had they of kept the Victory name for the Challenger and power plus chieftain ( which should be the new “Cross Country “ ) I think the respect meter would be very high and sales could have been so much better. Oh well ….. let’s not go down that road again.