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The Official 2012 Election Thread

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Yeah,I got through about 3 minutes of it and realized why I can't stand MSNBC. For me, being a motorcycle rider has little to do with how I vote. I have higher political priorities that don't tie directly into motorcycling. That being said, I can't wait to see how Obama campaigns on broken promises, failed economic policies, blaming everyone but himself, and dragging our country down into ruin (though we've been headed that way for a while, he's speeding it up).
 
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Tanner said:
If Obama wasn't such a pussy giving in without a fight on everything the rich want I would be happy w him.... As for the repubiklans... HELLLL NO!!!! I am not rich so I hate everything they have done in decades!!!!!
Really??? Not sure when the Republicans became the party for the rich, but I guess if your idea is "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" then you won't like conservatives. I'm not rich, but I would say I'm well enough off and I appreciate the fact that if someone earns something, they should keep it. I am against progressive tax brackets that punish people for hard work and success. This of course makes the Republicans "the party of the rich" in some people's minds. http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html
 
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bigfoot said:
Nacho wrote; That being said, I can't wait to see how Obama campaigns on broken promises, failed economic policies, blaming everyone but himself, and dragging our country down into ruin (though we've been headed that way for a while, he's speeding it up). You paint with a very broad brush. Specifics please.
Here's another one I love: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/04/05/brief-look-candidate-obamas-2008-campaign-promises --------------------------------------------------------------- 6) Iraq War As a candidate out on the trail, Mr. Obama made the Iraq war one of his main issues and hammered his Republican rival Sen. John McCain over and over on the subject. Obama said he would work with military commanders on the ground in Iraq and in consultation with the Iraqi government to end the war safely and responsibly within 16 months. Here is one that is widely considered to be a promise kept for President Obama. Although about 48,000 U.S. troops remain in Iraq as a transitional force, the bulk of the combat forces were headed home by the end of summer 2010. --------------------------------------------------------------- I was in Iraq from September 2008 to January 2009 and we were already drawing down. My commander and all the other commanders were already working on how to get their troops home (I was the Executive Officer so I have first hand knowledge of that). The bulk of combat troops were headed home by the end of the summer of 2010 due to the planning in 2008 and 2009...most of which was before Obama took office.
 
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ddawg said:
So - here's the guy who attacks people who have worked 70 hr. work weeks for many to be successful - for shrugs his shoulders @ passing out $14.5 million dollars to illegal students - from a bankrupt state. Say - do you think that $14.5 million dollars could be used to hire more teachers - to help them keep their jobs & reduce the size of classes? Ya think so Biggie? It's about priorities & correct decisions. That's not the liberal way though - it's about your agenda - first and foremost.
Liberals don't see it that way. What they see is "we're passing out $14.5 million to 'undocumented immigrants' so we need to raise taxes on people who work for a living even more to offset that."
 
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jandjp said:
Check this set of statistics!! The percentage of each past president's cabinet who had worked in the private business sector prior to their appointment to the cabinet. You know what the private business sector is a real-life business, not a government job. Here are the percentages. T. Roosevelt.................... 38% Taft.................................. 40% Wilson ........................... 52% Harding........................... 49% Coolidge......................... 48% Hoover............................ 42% F. Roosevelt................... 50% Truman........................... 50% Eisenhower................ .... 57% Kennedy......................... 30% Johnson.......................... 47% Nixon.............................. 53% Ford................................ 42% Carter............................. 32% Reagan........................... 56% GH Bush......................... 51% Clinton .......................... 39% GW Bush........................ 55% Obama....................... 8% This helps to explain the incompetence of this administration: only 8% of them have ever worked in private business! Only eight percent---the least, by far, of the last 19 presidents! And these people are trying to tell our big corporations how to run their business? How can the president of a major nation and society, the one with the most successful economic system in world history, stand and talk about business when he's never worked for one? Or about jobs when he has never really had one? And when it's the same for 92% of his senior staff and closest advisers? They've spent most of their time in academia, government and/or non-profit jobs or as "community organizers." They should have been in an employment line.
I like the "real-life business" touch to it, and agree. The government (civil service) is a bastion of inefficiency and poor management/managers. Eight of my twelve+ years in the military were in predominantly civilian organizations and it was appalling. While the military members are constantly being told to "do more with less" their civilian counterparts are doing "less with more".
 
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