[robsvision]

Same guys but a different flick...

A scout is a scout without a doubt!!!!

Muzza
If you squint real hard you can see where they scrapped the Victory badge off the tank.
They stuck the Indian badge over it..............
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I can't help it....

Actually, there are some issues with the 111 that are popping up. Some of the new Indian owners have a name for one of the issues. They call it (chatter) or (Clackers) there not sure if it's piston slap or a valve train issue.
There is some complaints of very hard shifting into second.

I read the Scout uses 15-60 oil!! Is this right..... If so wow and why.

Nothing major mind you but enough to make me think my 106 is a keeper..

 

[Teflon Mike]

This thread just took a deep, dark turn

 

[robsvision]

When?

 

[Teflon Mike]

When?

oil

 

[robsvision]

Ooooooooops
I was thinking of ah ah
Cooking oil ........yea that's it

 

[Duux]

I read the Scout uses 15-60 oil!! Is this right..... If so wow and why.

Rumor is the Scout puts out so much horsepower they need the thicker oil to slow the crank spinning....

#hogwash

 

[Ghostrider25]

... I read the Scout uses 15-60 oil!! Is this right..... If so wow and why.

Nothing major mind you but enough to make me think my 106 is a keeper..

Interesting tidbit on the 111, Rob. Also had no idea about the Scout oil. And funny you should mention the gearbox!!

The day I test rode the Chieftain I could not even get the damned thing into 2nd gear when I first left the lot. I had to pull over and wrangle it back into neutral, took off again, and it happened again. I pulled over again and considered just turning around right then, But I just let it run for a bit, looked the shift linkage over etc. took off again and did a kind of double-clutch deal and got it to shift, after that it never did it again for the remainder of the test ride. I mentioned it to the guys when I got back and they said that it was a known issue of the early units but they already had the fix in the production line. None of the other Indians I rode did this, only the Chieftain. The Roadmaster that I rode a coupe of months later was silky smooth.

Just goes to show nothing is perfect...

 

[robsvision]

Interesting tidbit on the 111, Rob. Also had no idea about the Scout oil. And funny you should mention the gearbox!!

The day I test rode the Chieftain I could not even get the damned thing into 2nd gear when I first left the lot. I had to pull over and wrangle it back into neutral, took off again, and it happened again. I pulled over again and considered just turning around right then, But I just let it run for a bit, looked the shift linkage over etc. took off again and did a kind of double-clutch deal and got it to shift, after that it never did it again for the remainder of the test ride. I mentioned it to the guys when I got back and they said that it was a known issue of the early units but they already had the fix in the production line. None of the other Indians I rode did this, only the Chieftain. The Roadmaster that I rode a coupe of months later was silky smooth.

Just goes to show nothing is perfect...

I wonder if it was something to do with the nutreal finder?
Nothing's perfect for sure. Also make you appreciate your own bike more.

 

[2edgesword]

I don't believe it was a marketing issue at all. I think they want people who are looking at $9K price point to consider the Scout sixty. Why ride a 750 street HD when you can have the legend Scout between your thighs. That's what I think.

On the on hand you say it's not a marketing issue and in the next sentence raise a major marketing factor, price. The Scout sixty is going to be introduced precisely because there is a marketing issue (price) with respect to the original Scout.

How many Scouts were sold the first year? Beyond that, as mentioned before, one year's worth of sales doesn't equate to a model being a success. That's true of the Scout or any other bike made by any other manufacturer including Harley.

As for why someone would spend $9K for something other then a Scout, that's a very personal, individual question with a very personal and individual answer. As one of the individuals in video said, "the public gets to say whether or not a bike is legendary" and I think it will take years to determine exactly what the public is saying.

A major point was made during the video regarding the issue of the Indian brand being legendary, and it is. That characteristic (legendary) is a factor in why people buy certain motorcycles and what weight it plays in the buying decision is an individual issue.

I say all of this as a person that likes the Scout and think it's a phenomenal motorcycle but I've seen exactly one on the road in the NYC area so I'm not yet ready to classify it as a legendary motorcycle.

 

[Teflon Mike]

On the on hand you say it's not a marketing issue and in the next sentence raise a major marketing factor, price. The Scout sixty is going to be introduced precisely because there is a marketing issue (price) with respect to the original Scout.

How many Scouts were sold the first year? Beyond that, as mentioned before, one year's worth of sales doesn't equate to a model being a success. That's true of the Scout or any other bike made by any other manufacturer including Harley.

As for why someone would spend $9K for something other then a Scout, that's a very personal, individual question with a very personal and individual answer. As one of the individuals in video said, "the public gets to say whether or not a bike is legendary" and I think it will take years to determine exactly what the public is saying.

A major point was made during the video regarding the issue of the Indian brand being legendary, and it is. That characteristic (legendary) is a factor in why people buy certain motorcycles and what weight it plays in the buying decision is an individual issue.

I say all of this as a person that likes the Scout and think it's a phenomenal motorcycle but I've seen exactly one on the road in the NYC area so I'm not yet ready to classify it as a legendary motorcycle.

This is a little beyond my scope to be honest. I like vic, I like Indian, hell I like some hds. I don't really get Into the iconic/legendary stuff and whether or not it lives up to its name. That was all before me.

What I will say is it's a hell of a bike and in my eyes it resembles an Indian more than a vic in my humble opinion.

Also, ghostrider, I know you're a tall dude. Ride a scout anyway to see what the fuss is. I was reluctant to take it for a spin because of the ergonomics, but afterwards, I couldn't shake the smile from my face. It's just a hoot to skip around town short distances. It just brought out the kid in me that I thought was long forgotten.

 

[coffeedave]

The reason it makes a difference to me is that Vic has always had more potential than Polaris gives it. And they took that potential and gave it to Indian. I've switched to Indian but I was Vic first and have even had the thought of buying back my XC from Mies if I could get it for what they gave me on trade. It's the 2013 black one on their website for 14469. Damn beautiful motorcycle. I just hope Polaris gives Victory the love it deserves. And does it now. No more prototypes, no more cancelled models, just a new Vision and an upgraded engine for their newer models.

 

[SubDude]

On the on hand you say it's not a marketing issue and in the next sentence raise a major marketing factor, price. The Scout sixty is going to be introduced precisely because there is a marketing issue (price) with respect to the original Scout.

How many Scouts were sold the first year? Beyond that, as mentioned before, one year's worth of sales doesn't equate to a model being a success. That's true of the Scout or any other bike made by any other manufacturer including Harley.

As for why someone would spend $9K for something other then a Scout, that's a very personal, individual question with a very personal and individual answer. As one of the individuals in video said, "the public gets to say whether or not a bike is legendary" and I think it will take years to determine exactly what the public is saying.

A major point was made during the video regarding the issue of the Indian brand being legendary, and it is. That characteristic (legendary) is a factor in why people buy certain motorcycles and what weight it plays in the buying decision is an individual issue.

I say all of this as a person that likes the Scout and think it's a phenomenal motorcycle but I've seen exactly one on the road in the NYC area so I'm not yet ready to classify it as a legendary motorcycle.

Again, I'll try to explain this for a HD rider so he can understand. Making a Scout Sixty for another segment of the population does not equal a marketing failure of the original release. What it indicates to me is that they want to capture another range of buyers, maybe it's younger riders, maybe it's women riders that feel intimidated by a 1200cc bike or, like I said before, give someone who is looking at a 750 street a better option.

So you have seen one Scout on the road, maybe your Street Bob stays in the garage more than it gets out? Maybe you hang out at the HD dealer for the free hot dogs and camaraderie? I don't see many 2015 Toyota Camry's in Michigan, must be they didn't sell that many. The Ostrich who sticks his head in the sand doesn't see much either.

 

[kaitiff]

Here, this will make it easier for the bar and shield types.. why are there 883 and 1200 Sportsters in HD's lineup? Could it be that they just want to be able to make a more affordable harley for people to ride? Hmm?

 

[robsvision]

I talked to my wife about the Scout 60
It's all the bike she will ever need and being a bit less expensive makes it even more attractive.
I never thought the Scout was over priced..
But the Scout 60 is 1000 times more appealing then anything Harley has for a beginner bike.
I would be proud to own a Scout 60.
I can't say that about any other starter bike. And that includes the Yamaha bolt and others like it.

I think the 60 was a good move.

 

[triumph900]

Here, this will make it easier for the bar and shield types.. why are there 883 and 1200 Sportsters in HD's lineup? Could it be that they just want to be able to make a more affordable harley for people to ride? Hmm?

Obviously HD made a serious marketing mistake with the Sportster. The existence of two models proves it. There can be no other reason!

 

[2edgesword]

Again, I'll try to explain this for a HD rider so he can understand. Making a Scout Sixty for another segment of the population does not equal a marketing failure of the original release. What it indicates to me is that they want to capture another range of buyers, maybe it's younger riders, maybe it's women riders that feel intimidated by a 1200cc bike or, like I said before, give someone who is looking at a 750 street a better option.

So you have seen one Scout on the road, maybe your Street Bob stays in the garage more than it gets out? Maybe you hang out at the HD dealer for the free hot dogs and camaraderie? I don't see many 2015 Toyota Camry's in Michigan, must be they didn't sell that many. The Ostrich who sticks his head in the sand doesn't see much either.

I won't play your us versus them game (explain this for a HD rider so he can understand) but will try to explain it so you can understand.

First, I didn't use the term "marketing failure". What I said was there was a marketing issue that limited the ability to sell the Scout. That issue was price and Indian is addressing that issue with the Scout Sixty, a less expensive bike. If the original Scout at a 9K price point and the same performance it had a better potential to capture the 8K ~ 12K market.

Second, I'm in the northeast and ride all year round weather permitting (+35°F is my low limit) commuting to work putting about 5K miles per year on my bike. That's no where close to being a high mileage rider but the bike doesn't spend more time in the garage then on the road. In fact, giving the mileage I see on many bikes being sold I ride more than the average rider in my area.

My observation about the Scout is my observation based on my experience. Do you know the number of Scouts that were sold in 2015? Let's hear it and provide a source. Or more likely, do you have your head stuck in the sand and just taking a wild guess?

 

[poptop]

Just for the record! My information comes right from the source so no arguments here!
How many Scouts were sold in 2015 a cording to my source ,a whole bunch!
How many Scouts do they anticipate selling in the future ? A whole bunch more!
the New Scout Sixty anticipated sales, agian folks an estimated whole bunch of these to!
So statistic lay speaking Indian sales ha e already increased and with the inception of the Scout Sixty will continue to increase ,best estimate a whole freaking bunch more!
Now as to Osteriches!I'm in the prosses of putting together a spead sheet on how many have there heads up there arse as a posed to in the sand, to date all my request for more info on this ha e fallen on deaf ears!
If you require my sources I will be happy to provide them to you ,simple send me a private message with the heading,
Great there doing good! And I will reply

 

[Teflon Mike]

First, I didn't use the term "marketing failure". What I said was there was a marketing issue that limited the ability to sell the Scout. That issue was price and Indian is addressing that issue with the Scout Sixty, a less expensive bike.

It's actually pretty widely known that the scout is a smash hit and the only hindrance in sales was the ability to fulfill orders fast enough (I believe it was a paint issue that polaris decided to nip in the bud right away because they were so focused on the introduction being as perfect as possible.)

"Polaris' successful 2014 came in spite of a few problems, which can be expected for any motorcycle brand. In the company's case, delays in production slowed down what could have been a stronger sales figure. The resulting backlog of bike products didn't help Polaris, either, while the stop sale and ride order issued for the Slingshot could still have some long term ramifications for the company in the event a full recall is issued."

Polaris Posts Fifth Straight Year Of Increased Motorcycle Sales

This issue carried all the way through 2015 as polaris worked to find a solution to the paint issue asap. I haven't read anywhere that sales were impacted by price point of the scout. The paint issue was a major cluster**** and cost the company 20 million to upgrade grear and thats not taking into account warranty work with the paint. They decided to go against advisors advise and cut corners instead of investing into a paint facility. Some heads rolled after the decision to save money backfired on the company.

 

[Teflon Mike]

I dont know why it came out like that ^. But I am well aware of what went down with the scout sales because I have one and it took 6 months to get it after the order was placed so I kept up on what was going on the whole time.

 

[ETrider]

I dont know why it came out like that

Nor do I, but here's the part of your post that pertained to the Scout, that was hard to read:

"Polaris' successful 2014 came in spite of a few problems, which can be expected for any motorcycle brand. In the company's case, delays in production slowed down what could have been a stronger sales figure. The resulting backlog of bike products didn't help Polaris, either"

You are, of course, correct; according to everything I've read, the biggest hindrance to Scout sales last year was the fact that they couldn't produce them in the numbers needed to meet demand.