[Duux]

That's the way it is with all the American big twins and I for one wouldn't want it any other way....

If I did I'd be riding a rice rocket....

Water cooled v twins in the Vic heavy weights?

That would be a sign of the apocalypse.

Revitalise the Vic brand?

Let's start by having TheVOG for victory enthusiasts...

Long live the almighty thump....

Bull sheet mate. My Evo Harley's tranny beat the **** out of my Hammer's. "with all the American big twins" my ass man.

 

[Duux]

Upshift and downshifts are then like butter at the sweet spot..

Just get pissed off listening to BS that comes out of some mouths..

Fck man... This is supposed to be a victory enthusiasts site but lately it's turned into a friggrn cesspit...

So a tranny should only be buttery at the sweet spot? What complete crap Muzza. I would love for you to be in a situation where you HAD to change gears and it simply wouldn't because it wasn't in the SWEET SPOT!

Plus it says VOG. Victory OWNERS Group. Be that whatever experiences people have. Hell mate I'd love to be able to say my Hammer's tranny was BMW-esk. But it's sadly not.

Here's a tip. Try and listen and appreciate what OTHER people experience without overlaying your own experience or bias on it. RobV had a tranny explode. Mine clips gears or dog teeth. I don't care it clunks into first. I care it clunks into first but doesn't engage first, where by I nearly get rear ended at the lights.

Peace bro.

 

[Old-Gramps]

It is what it is and a gearbox that goes clunk through all gears in this day and age in anyone's eyes, has to be a faux pa.... I do not like it, but can accept it as it is because it isn't just mine but all 106 freedom motors, thus I live with it.....

I owned a ej once and the wipers didn't work, but I learnt to live with it and just wound the window down and hang out to see where I was going......

Acceptance isn't necessary of this of course. Trade it in on another brand that has no clunk in the gear box but probably lots of other things wrong that is unacceptable to most.....

 

[Muzza]

Here's a tip. Try and listen and appreciate what OTHER people experience without overlaying your own experience or bias on it. RobV had a tranny explode. Mine clips gears or dog teeth. I don't care it clunks into first. I care it clunks into first but doesn't engage first, where by I nearly get rear ended at the lights.

Bravo...

Exactly my point...

So the thousands of of high mile vics that have never had issues is all fantasy BS?

Yeah mate your right and thousand are wrong.....

Thanks so much for pointing this out..

And when it comes to Rob he had bad friggrn luck with his trans... Unfortunately things like this do happen on occasion and no one manufacturer is immune...

Peace bro

 

[torotim]

Bull sheet mate. My Evo Harley's tranny beat the **** out of my Hammer's. "with all the American big twins" my ass man.

Just this past weekend I switched with my bro-in-law for a couple hours. 09 FLHTCU and my 10 CCT. The only difference was mine was slightly louder going into first. Period! Call me an idiot, liar or what have you. I ain't no stranger to bikes nor am I a newcomer. I had a 29 tear hiatus from ownership but not riding and I have a mechanical background. Another thing that should be a strike against mine, I installed an Easy Clutch on mine when I put my new Barnett clutch cable on this winter and was expecting trouble being it takes away from the full travel of the disengagement. None. I put it on because of the increasing arthritis and scleroderma occurring in my hands. I asked my bro-in-law what he thought of the slightly harder engagement into first after the first couple of stops, his words were "I didn't notice anything, I'll pay attention this time". All said and done, he said not much different than either one of his Harley's, wanted to know why I asked. If it was something I was worried about?

59,640 miles on it. No, I'm not worried about it. I used to be self conscious about it because the noise from other owners has been sometimes louder than the transmission!

 

[Muzza]

What I don't understand is this...

If my trans shifted that bad to the point of nearly being rear ended I'd get my arse down to the nearest factory Vic dealership and have them ride it...

Bagging Vics on a Vic forum will achieve what?

Seriously duux, all BS aside, I hope you have it addressed and the problems get rectified.

 

[Old-Gramps]

It has been just a tad over 2 years since I traded my 2008 Ultra in on the CCT, but I really don't think the Harley clunked in all gears, going up or going down, only that fist shudder and clunk into first gear is all and now I am typing this the Harley was only when standing still and not going from second to first while rolling to a stop or just for a tight turn etc...

Whether we like it or not I still have to say the victory gearbox is lacking in this day and age, but also as I have already stated, I can live with it and accept it for what it is....

 

[kaitiff]

Holy **** the crying in here is getting loud...

I guess I have a different perspective. I came off of Guzzi, like another poster mentioned, you want a BANG! when shifting try a Guzzi. Once you've gotten used to it, you actually learn to like it. There is NO DOUBT when you get a shift right in a Guzzi, and almost ever bike mag out there comments on it by calling it 'bulletproof'.

Now Vic hasn't got the age to make claims about being bulletproof, but I've seen plenty of high mileage bikes and not a one of them complained about the tranny giving out. I'm usually pretty conscious of weak points in a bike or any mechanical device, it's why I carry a sav-u-ride cable on my bike. What I DON'T worry about is the tranny imploding. It's loud and can be obnoxious. Could it be improved so the nancy footed girls out there don't wrinkle their undies, sure. Is it prone to failure? Not that I can see. The only instances you really see if people complaining about tranny issues on Vic's are the 99's and 00's.. and we all know about that. After that it's a non-issue for dependability.

I bought my Vic because it's solid, and for the most part over-engineered. This isn't supposed to be the 2 wheeled equivalent of an old man's caddy. There are plenty of other choices out there if you want to protect your precious little toes, jap bikes that have that snickety-snick tranny that you can't tell if it's shifted or not. i for one don't WANT that.

As for the 'my evo had the greatest tranny EVUR!' bull****.. I loved my 85 FXRT, put damn near 100,000 miles on it. Bulletproof it wasn't. Freaking shifting fork snapped not once, but TWICE on that damn thing. I ended up having to have one cut instead of the pot metal pos they put in stock. I loved that bike, but it left me sit and cost me more in repairs than all the other bikes I've owned combined. Don't EVER talk to me about HD reliability. ugh.

 

[Muzza]

Holy **** the crying in here is getting loud...

I guess I have a different perspective. I came off of Guzzi, like another poster mentioned, you want a BANG! when shifting try a Guzzi. Once you've gotten used to it, you actually learn to like it. There is NO DOUBT when you get a shift right in a Guzzi, and almost ever bike mag out there comments on it by calling it 'bulletproof'.

Now Vic hasn't got the age to make claims about being bulletproof, but I've seen plenty of high mileage bikes and not a one of them complained about the tranny giving out. I'm usually pretty conscious of weak points in a bike or any mechanical device, it's why I carry a sav-u-ride cable on my bike. What I DON'T worry about is the tranny imploding. It's loud and can be obnoxious. Could it be improved so the nancy footed girls out there don't wrinkle their undies, sure. Is it prone to failure? Not that I can see. The only instances you really see if people complaining about tranny issues on Vic's are the 99's and 00's.. and we all know about that. After that it's a non-issue for dependability.

I bought my Vic because it's solid, and for the most part over-engineered. This isn't supposed to be the 2 wheeled equivalent of an old man's caddy. There are plenty of other choices out there if you want to protect your precious little toes, jap bikes that have that snickety-snick tranny that you can't tell if it's shifted or not. i for one don't WANT that.

As for the 'my evo had the greatest tranny EVUR!' bull****.. I loved my 85 FXRT, put damn near 100,000 miles on it. Bulletproof it wasn't. Freaking shifting fork snapped not once, but TWICE on that damn thing. I ended up having to have one cut instead of the pot metal pos they put in stock. I loved that bike, but it left me sit and cost me more in repairs than all the other bikes I've owned combined. Don't EVER talk to me about HD reliability. ugh.

Brother Kaitiff, your a friggen legend ....

I'm sure if the Pope was online you would be declared St Kaitiff of TheVOG...

 

[Duux]

What I don't understand is this...

If my trans shifted that bad to the point of nearly being rear ended I'd get my arse down to the nearest factory Vic dealership and have them ride it...

Bagging Vics on a Vic forum will achieve what?

Seriously duux, all BS aside, I hope you have it addressed and the problems get rectified.

Been there, done that Muzz. Victory Sydney aren't interested in doing anything to either recognise or fix it. They've taken it for a ride and said "it's normal". Since it doesn't do the behaviour 100% of the time I can they have to believe me and I'd suggest incur costs to investigate.

They simply aren't interested. One mechanic who was vocal about issues is no longer there. Coincidence maybe.

Hell my bike has the dreaded engine cut out. However it's deemed not to be included in the faulty fuel pump recall. I still reported the problem ages ago but again interest by Victory to sort it out. Cutting out, of course is lovely to experience. Be quick on the clutch or you're down the road.

See maybe if I was Victory and I heard a customer complain about engine cut outs and their was a recall for a faulty pump... I'd be replacing the pump just in case. But no Victory Sydney again aren't interested.

 

[Duux]

Holy **** the crying in here is getting loud...

Mainly because fan boys here are continually talking about "bulletproofness" and strength. That as I've said isn't the issue. As I said we could take a test bench and run the tranny in 5th for probably a million miles as long as the oil was kept up.

Just tell me this...

1) Should I have to press multiple times on the gear lever to ensure the tranny selects first when standing still?
2) Should it actually select 1st gear every time?
3) When accelerating fast should it clip gears shifting from 1st to 2nd?
4) When accelerating slowly to 3000 rpm shift point should it clip gears between 1st and 2nd?

Pretty simple questions I'd have thought.

 

[Muzza]

Duux I get the impression it's a relatively new bike?

How many K's it done?

 

[Duux]

Duux I get the impression it's a relatively new bike?

How many K's it done?

Hey Muzz, 15,000 kms. Swapped to Rotella T6 a thousand ago because in summer temps actually selecting the gears became worse. It was as if the expanding gears closed some tolerances.Thus far so good, but we haven't had a screaming 40 degree day yet.

 

[Teflon Mike]

Mainly because fan boys here are continually talking about "bulletproofness" and strength. That as I've said isn't the issue. As I said we could take a test bench and run the tranny in 5th for probably a million miles as long as the oil was kept up.

Just tell me this...

1) Should I have to press multiple times on the gear lever to ensure the tranny selects first when standing still?
2) Should it actually select 1st gear every time?
3) When accelerating fast should it clip gears shifting from 1st to 2nd?
4) When accelerating slowly to 3000 rpm shift point should it clip gears between 1st and 2nd?

Pretty simple questions I'd have thought.

I am victorys number 2 fanboy on the vog. Obviously muzza has the first place medal. But I love my vic and I've had good reliable experience with it. Although I'm only 10k miles into it. BUT, I would legitimately get rid of that bike if I were experiencing these issues and I would be sour on the brand. I'd probably switch and never look back. Sometimes it's better to cut your losses and if your bike is putting you at a higher risk of being injured, it's a no brainer. Too bad. I wish everyone had the same experience with their bike that I've had, but I know that's unrealistic.

 

[Teflon Mike]

Also @Duux ,regarding the fanboys working themselves into a frenzy (myself included) has to do with that guy that signed up here to post about how bad victorys are and then disappeared. His story didn't even add up so a few of us saw through the b.s and called him out on it. No disrespect to you who has legitimate issues and reason to gripe.

 

[Muzza]

Reason i asked is that some of what you mentioned i experienced in the early days..

Though it's my first Vic I've owned sv couple of new hd's and I experienced all sorts of weird sht.. Especially with the trans....

My Vic initially played up and I just modified my style a bit for a while...

The boxes are tough ombres and need to be driven in and my trans is now as smooth as... Same thing with the engine cut out or throttle blip stall...

It caught my of guard initially then I changed my style by keeping the revs up a bit more whilst down shifting and rev matching... Over time it just all bed in and it never happened again....

Do me a favor and lift your normal rev range by 500 rpm I.e. ride it a bit more aggressively when shifting up and down.

These bikes seem to take a while to bed themselves in as many have mentioned I.e. they are bulletproof...

Ride it hard for a bit and shift your arse off..

Let us know how you go man...

 

[Muzza]

I bet TheVOG members out there that bought their bikes second hand with a few miles on em have never, in general, experienced any problems..

They just get better and better with age..

 

[Muzza]

I take that back...

When I say problems I mean running in teething issues that rectify themselves by wearing in...

I have to say it again.. These bikes are friggen tough...

Must be the good old hardened American steel that they use....

 

[Flyboy]

Been there, done that Muzz. Victory Sydney aren't interested in doing anything to either recognise or fix it. They've taken it for a ride and said "it's normal". Since it doesn't do the behaviour 100% of the time I can they have to believe me and I'd suggest incur costs to investigate.

They simply aren't interested. One mechanic who was vocal about issues is no longer there. Coincidence maybe.

Hell my bike has the dreaded engine cut out. However it's deemed not to be included in the faulty fuel pump recall. I still reported the problem ages ago but again interest by Victory to sort it out. Cutting out, of course is lovely to experience. Be quick on the clutch or you're down the road.

See maybe if I was Victory and I heard a customer complain about engine cut outs and their was a recall for a faulty pump... I'd be replacing the pump just in case. But no Victory Sydney again aren't interested.

As for the tranny, got nothing, but I can cure your cutting out issue 85% sure and won't cost you dime other than to RTFM and has worked every time if you are interested, I have yet to find a dealer that knew...

 

[poptop]

In my most humble opinion and it is excatly that an opinion! I TRULY AND HONESTLY BELIEVE there is a chariteristic within the Victory TRANNY. What I believe is many have yet learned to ride and shift accordingly!
I bought my first pin in 08 and replaced in 09 after a major smashup. Very few I would say ride with the continued agresive,nature I enjoy riding with but would sugest working these thing hard when young is something that not needs to be done but is a prerequisite to a higher functioning tanny!
I guess I can understand some that baby and coax there pride and joy bikes but like a good child , these things need to be flogged a time or 2 in order to set things right!
Granted at 80.000 miles and whatever number of times down the 1/4 mile track along with the built and performing build Half Crazy has ride over the past,blew some parts in the trans!
That in itself is not a sign of weakness that is a sign of a pretty dame solid and structured tranny!
now all you nay sayers can go right ahead and continue to say what you will ,I on the other hand believe many are missing the boat when it come to breaking these things in and just as many are not working at learning the is and outs of the gears within that box!
Enough already ya they have some noise well so does the moter and so do I! If I had some sob twisting my wire a and kicking me in the grion, and unloading 100 plus hp on my ass I'd probly fart to!
get over it, there was a couple screw up with internal stuff after release on a few models but come on really how many real problems ha e there been? Ya not a bad ride and if you have a stereo which many of you folks do blue tooth that clunk to hell out of there with a bit of volume from ZZ Top!