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2016 Victory Empulse TT - First Ride & Impressions

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Torque.
Torque is an American ideal. An ideal that runs deep in American Motorsport. Until now, the industry at large had employed either large displacement or motors fed via forced induction to satiate the public's appetite for immediate power. This led to the constant use of fossil fuels and the contamination of the fresh air supply in our cities. The endless march of technology and progress inspired the search for an alternative form of energy to move us from one place to another. From the past to the present, the all new fully electric 2016 Victory Empulse TT is here. It may run on electricity - but riding it is a gas.

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Introductions.
The introduction to any new model of bike is generally the same: Here is the key. This is the start button. This is "on." So on and so forth. Normally you straddle the bike, go through the familiar motions, and be rewarded with vibrations and the growl of a high-quality gasoline powered motor roaring to life between your legs. The Empulse TT is a little different. The key, the "on" position, the start button; these are all in the same place, and everything makes sense in that regard. It's the absence of the familiar whir of a priming fuel pump that is first noticed. Normally, this would mean something is amiss with the machine, but not with the Empulse TT. Stay the course, and hold the starter button for a moment. Silently, the gauge wipes for a second time. A barely-audible, yet quintessential electronic click is the only sound heard, and a yellow "ON" emblem flashes on the dash. Now what? Is that it? There is no auditory reward other than a healthy click signifying that electricity is moving about the system. There is no rumble, no vibrations from electrons pulsing around the system, poised silently to tear down the road like this aggressive riding position suggests. Odd feeling this.


Quiet.
The Empulse TT, in its ready state, is absolutely silent. In a quiet warehouse far removed from the continual drone of big, v-twin powered machines marching up and down Lazelle St, this new-aged rocket was sitting like a silent soldier standing guard outside the palace of a king and his court. Do not let the silence of its readiness fool you. With electric power, the reaction to a mere crack of the twistgrip results in near-instant locomotion. The physics of gasoline-powered engines and their torque curves do not apply to an electric motor. An electric motor delivers its payload directly to your face in one, linear hit. "Rolling on" the power has a new definition with electric power. It is pure torque. And we like that.

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Speaking of the drone rolling through the Black Hills... The Sturgis Rally, like most rallies around the US, are accompanied by the dull roar of motors that, by mid-week, devolve into a sort of white noise in the mind. By that point, the drone is only noticeable in those pre-dawn hours when it is truly quiet. Imagine the scene if every one of those V-Twin powered motorcycles were electric. Stealthy-quiet electric bikes pumping through the veins of the hills with nothing more than a whine of electric rotors echoing off the valley walls. Slicing silently through the streets of Sturgis, the Empulse TT is a ninja on mission amidst a sea of drunken pirates, loud and boisterous, thundering the same song: "Potato - Potato - Potato" for everyone to hear.

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Bring to Heel.
This moto is akin to most other motorcycles in that it has a power plant, two wheels, a set of handle bars, and pegs. However, the grasp of these tools is needed only to help wrap your mind around the use of the bike. Everything else falls away after that. Upon setting off on the bike, there is no worry of which gear is selected. There is no worry about the clutch position. Sitting idle, there is nothing to do other than twist the throttle a smidge, lift feet and set off. No pesky clutch engagement point, no worry about being in 1st gear. Just twist and lift. This sounds crazy, I know. I was instructed by the members of the Victory team to put the thing in 3rd gear and go. Gentle roll of the right wrist and I am away. Wild, man... Wild.

Once rolling, this bike is like any other bike on the road, minus the thundering motor, producing heat and leaving noxious fumes in its wake. Clutch to shift, just like you would any other bike. While I am not sure exactly why there are gears on this thing, as you can start it from a dead stop in every gear that I tried, the shifting was fluid and the new transmission did what new transmissions do and gave me a good bit of feedback even if I caught a false shift every now and again. This is not the chunky cruiser transmission of the Hammer S that I rode to the warehouse on, but more a refined set of cogs that took a tap of the toe rather than a stomp of the heel to get in gear. The wildest part of this new power train was coming to a stop in traffic. My years of motorcycle riding taught me that I needed to clutch in, downshift, clutch out, alongside administration of brakes. Once stopped, either hold the clutch or find neutral to give my left hand a rest. Not so fast, muscle memory... The Empulse TT required none of this. Simply administer brake, and pull it down to a stop. No clutching required. I stayed in 3rd gear while in traffic and never had to touch the shifter. There was no negative effect of this as there was torque on tap to get me rolling no matter the gear. Riding the Empulse TT required some remapping of basic operations, but in the stop and go traffic of Sturgis and daily life, it would be really handy to be able to start and stop without clutching or worry of proper gear section. And in the day's heat - not sweating away atop an internal combustion engine.

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If my basic grasp of physics and gearing doesn't fail me, gears are essentially torque multipliers and dividers. They take the input torque and multiply it to get off the line and set off, and when rolling, that same power is divided and translated into higher, faster rolling gears. With the electric motor offering all of the torque at an instant, the need for torque multiplication is almost a moot point. There is no fear of lugging off of the line because you are in a gear that is too tall. Twist the throttle while in gear, and the machine rolls to life regardless the ratio. What the gear selector does however - is modulate the rate of acceleration. Pick a lower gear to zap up to a lower top speed, pick a higher gear to have a more mellow rush up to the over 100 mph top speed (impossible in the rolling chicane that is the Black hills Rally).

This brings up a rather odd thing about this particular electric bike: the shift pattern is 1, 2, Neutral, 3, 4, 5, 6. That is not a typo. 1, 2, Neutral, 3, 4, 5, 6. Why you might ask? I don't have an answer for you... Sorry. The engineers state that there is enough torque and speed spread in 3rd for "typical riding" and shifting simply allows the rider to match their desire for acceleration.

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En Flight.
While piloting this machine down the open road, I was immediately struck with how happy this bike was in a turn. When tipping its heft off of the side stand, I was slightly nervous that it was going to feel heavy due to the electric motors and the batteries. This is not the bantam weight sport bike that I was somewhat expecting. The motor is mounted near the swingarm pivot so the weight is relatively low. The bars are tight in to the body and the steering tube is rather steep, which helps get this bike to run around corners with little effort. The single rear shock provides a sporty feel in the rear end with little sag once my narrow butt settled into the seat. The inverted shocks up front felt quite solid and offered little front end dive when the 4-piston Brembo brakes pinched down on a pair of dual floating discs.

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The best time to enjoy the Empulse TT is powering up and down Vanocker Canyon Road early in the morning, long before the hangovers wear off and the roadways crowd with electrolyte starved bodies on gasoline hungry sleds. The tight, aggressive body position inspires confidence in the corners, while the Continental Sport Attack II tires grip the pristine roads of the Black Hills without drama. While the public roads were not the ideal place to really test the limits of the Empulse TT, cruising along at a decent clip was more than enough to put a smile on my face. I cannot say that I saw the advertised top speed of 100 mph, but I won't report that I didn't either. Let's just say that I have no doubt that it will get there. And that there were plenty of police to mitigate speeds…

Once back at the warehouse, I begin to process all the thoughts and experiences that I just had. The techs roll the bikes over to their charging stations, and by "charging stations" I mean the standard electrical sockets in the wall of the warehouse for a top-up of the batteries. My bike saw 45 miles logged on the odometer, and I was left with 46% battery life on the clock. The bike was plugged in to the 120V charger and the display read "Charging: 11 Amps Time Remaining: 4:30 Hours." This is not the quick charger that runs off 220V, but after a 45 mile spirited ride at highway speeds, and then up a fairly aggressive canyon road, I was expecting a little more downtime from a run-of-the-mill outlet.


While riding an electric bike, I couldn't help but occupy a different space in my mind. My normal mental state when riding a new bike for review is flush with metrics and evaluations of ride, throttle, and braking characteristics. On this bike it was easier to focus on that matrix. The whir of the electric motor was easily defeated by the wind noise coming off of my helmet. The same way that one is able to concentrate a little better when the sound is turned down on the radio, it was slightly easier to take in the characteristics of the bike without wrestling with the extra input offered by the exhaust note. Do not get me wrong, I am in absolute love with a great sounding engine and a crisp or throaty exhaust note. It is music to me, but it can be overarching. Pervasive. The great sound produced by a machine can fill in the gaps where it lacks in performance. This, being an initial run by Victory at an electric bike, is a very solid effort with very little filler required.

The Brammo underpinnings offered Victory an invaluable starting point into the electric motorcycle market. This burgeoning segment is only going to diversify and get better as technology progresses and as we, as a people, rely more heavily on alternative energy sources for our locomotion and enjoyment. I cannot write that I did not spend a good amount of time staring at the battery gauge on the display. I felt a bit like a pubescent girl watching the red gauge in the upper right-hand corner of her phone as she was desperately awaiting a text from Tommy. This is the result of the fear of the unknown. I have no idea how to optimize the use of a battery. With some practice, I am sure that I would learn how to hyper-mile the bike and be able to take full advantage of the regenerative system during my commute, but after 45 miles, I am a subject rather than a commander of the battery system. The availability of electric power will become more prevalent as the demand for it increases, and with that will come understanding and utilization. At this moment, we are on the precipice of a revolution.

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100 years ago, gasoline was not available at every major intersection and despite that fact we are still using gasoline-powered engines to get us from place to place. Sure, it is scary to think that we would be marooned in a location for a couple of hours while our mode of transport charges up, but Heaven forbid that our free movement about this great nation be slowed by the simple inconvenience of refueling with clean power that is sustainable.

Viva La Revolution.
This bike is a revolution in many ways. Victory, with its wide dealer network, could be a pioneer in getting an electric motorcycle initiative off of the ground and make it a legitimate answer for commuter motorcyclists and otherwise. Thinking outside the box is something that Victory and parent company Polaris Industries is really good at, and I can see quick-charge stations being offered at dealerships across the nation. I have no doubt that the market will, in the not-too-distant future, be able to produce a system that will have a range longer than 100 miles, and a zero-emmission, electric motorcycle will be feasible for more and more riders.

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Long story short, this bike may not be THE answer, but it is certainly a step in the right direction. It is a better solution that will help us get from here to there. It checks all of the right boxes for me. It is fun, it has a decent enough range that you can commute on it, and you can take it out on the weekend for a romp around the highways and byways around your home. It is not a long distance hauler, but not many sport-oriented bikes are that. At $19,999, it is not a cheap motorcycle, but cost averaging and the total cost of ownership, that sticker price comes down if you commit to logging real, daily miles on this machine - and pass every gas station along the way. The Empulse TT works really well as a sport motorcycle and a spirited commuter.

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#3 ·
You nailed it!

"Slicing silently through the streets of Sturgis, the Empulse TT is a ninja on mission amidst a sea of drunken pirates, loud and boisterous, thundering the same song: "Potato - Potato - Potato" for everyone to hear."

I had an absolute blast on the Empulse TT and didn't want to give it up. It's the perfect tool for slicing through congest roads and carving up twisty roads once you break free!
 
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Problem with this is that the cagers can not hear you. Meaning you are trading safety for cool factor.
 
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I actually see people look at me because they can hear my exhaust. Agreed not stock but that is one of the first things to go as it has to be like that to get approved.
 
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" This led to the constant use of fossil fuels and the contamination of the fresh air supply in our cities." Hold your horses Al Gore, when you charge the bike it's getting electricity from coal fired power plants....

Oh and the whole pipes sound thing is a myth.
 
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Yeah, let's keep things in proper perspective here. This is NOT a zero footprint machine. When the charge runs out you gotta suck off the grid to refire those batts. And yer waitin for it, too. Don't get me wrong, I like this new bike, and I really like the idea of Torque from zero! And I like the gearbox. I'm sorry but twist and go with no shifting just sucks. That's not riding to me. But the machine is not for me. No way in hell I'm giving up my GSX1250FA for this thing. Can't do the range I need it to do. Can't carry Sh!t, either. But a weekend local fun machine or in-town hopper? Absolutely. Or for those that don't have the long commutes. It's a good solution for that I think. They are gettin there...
 
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Brammo bikes are on clearance sale right now and the top line Empulse R is going for $12,000. It sure looks like the Victory Empulse TT. The other models are cheaper, starting at $6,000. And the best part is Victory dealers are handling parts and warranty for them.
 
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I just saw that on another site! I saw the inertia in action on Leno's Garage segment and it was nothing real special. But then those date back to 2012 - 2013. The Empulse, though, that is the deal I think if you are into getting one. Those are 2014 models...
 
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Problem with this is that the cagers can not hear you. Meaning you are trading safety for cool factor.
I rode a bicycle to work in San Francisco for many years and what I found, being totally silent is 1) I could hear much more of what was happening around me, and 2) cagers can't hear squat and rely on their eyes for almost all of their information. Add in the fact that most fatal accidents happen with ONCOMING cars in intersections (The Hurt Report) and the case for loud pipes saving lives is very weak at best.

I've now ridden an Empulse R commuting and on the job in San Francisco for 27K miles over the last two years and don't miss the exhaust note at all. There's a whine from the gears that's distinctive and get the attention of pedestrians. Note: women can hear higher frequencies than men, so it's the women to turn and stare at me the most. You may like that!

The only time I miss loud pipes is when lane sharing on the freeway. Then it's always nice if I can tuck in behind a cruiser!
 
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Ride for 2 hrs and charge for 3 no thanks.
Actually, if you use this bike according to its purpose (commuter or twisties machine) you won't find that scenario happens very often. I ride every day into work and on the job and come home at night with anywhere from 30% to 60% remaining. I plug in and after midnight a timer turns on my charger for super-low rates and I wake up with a full tank, every day. The cost? $.01 per mile. So the fuel cost of the 27K miles I've racked up... $270. Oh, and no tuneups, filters, etc.

I DID ride from San Francisco to Ventura for a custom seat and, as you say, I rode for 1 hour and charged for 2. Back roads and 40 mph to save energy. I had a blast, once I got over the fact I wasn't locked on the superslab at 80 mph looking at the bumper in front of me. Got to see a baby fox in the Santa Cruz mountains just after dawn. Got see sleepy towns, cool bars, and had a great time charging my bike inside my Motel 6 room!

But it's not the bike I'd choose for long trips, for sure. As a commuter, I'll never go back to dead dinosaurs. And, oh, the torque!
 
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Sounds to me like a good bike for fun but not a real bike for serious riding. I ride 120 miles round trip to work with no way to charge. How would this handle that.
 
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" This led to the constant use of fossil fuels and the contamination of the fresh air supply in our cities." Hold your horses Al Gore, when you charge the bike it's getting electricity from coal fired power plants....

Oh and the whole pipes sound thing is a myth.
The myth is a matter of opinion and can be and has been it's own thread.
 
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Personally I would love to own an empulse. I can't wait to demo one. It couldn't replace my XCT, but it sure would be a great addition. Electric vehicles are improving fast all we really need are more fast charging stations. The cool thing is they can be installed anywhere. There is no need to install expensive underground storage tanks and pumps. No need to haul it anywhere. Anywhere there are wires, which is everywhere there could be a charging station. Most people don't drive more then a few miles to and from work. I drive 28 miles one way. Pretty much any electric vehicle could handle that. So you would charge at home 99% of the time. The more I think about it the more sense electric vehicles make.
 
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I had the opportunity to tryout the Empulse TT up at Sturgis. This is the second electric cycle I have tested. The first being the HD Livewire. I love the not having to shift. Just roll on. The power is great. All that torque at any time. Did get it up to highway speed and it was quick to get there. For me ergonomics of this bike suck. My crotch was rammed up into cover where a gas tank would be located. Handle bars are too low causing my hands to go numb. Peg location and the size not for me. Produce this bike in a cruiser configuration and I think I would very interest for an around town ride. The other thing was when slowing down this bike felt like it was shifting gears. It could have my riding. I just do not remember the same feeling from the Livewire. As battery technology
gets better electric Motorcycles and cars will be more prolific. I do believe Victory is working on a faster charging system. A plus for me would be leaving the house at 5am and not waking the neighborhood and being able to plug in at the power plant I work at.
 
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For me ergonomics of this bike suck. My crotch was rammed up into cover where a gas tank would be located. Handle bars are too low causing my hands to go numb. Peg location and the size not for me. Produce this bike in a cruiser configuration and I think I would very interest for an around town ride. The other thing was when slowing down this bike felt like it was shifting gears.
First thing I did with this bike (like most of my bikes) was to put on a replacement seat: solved the jewels-into-the-tank issue. I also put on bar risers and a windscreen. I'm an old street rider, not a young track guy. I'm 6' tall and have gotten used to the peg position, actually liking how I can push up off of them for rough pavement. But a cruiser, it's not!

The regenerative braking is quite pronounced on this bike in SPORT mode, its mapping being worked out by a professional racer. If you put it in NORMAL mode, it's much more mild. It also, of course, depends on what gear you're in. Personally, I've grown to love motoring down a boulevard at 50 mph in first gear, approach an intersection, rolling off the "throttle", and making my right turn at 15 mph without ever touching the brakes. Makes the pads last a long time!
 
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Yeah, let's keep things in proper perspective here. This is NOT a zero footprint machine. When the charge runs out you gotta suck off the grid to refire those batts. And yer waitin for it, too. Don't get me wrong, I like this new bike, and I really like the idea of Torque from zero! And I like the gearbox. I'm sorry but twist and go with no shifting just sucks. That's not riding to me. But the machine is not for me. No way in hell I'm giving up my GSX1250FA for this thing. Can't do the range I need it to do. Can't carry Sh!t, either. But a weekend local fun machine or in-town hopper? Absolutely. Or for those that don't have the long commutes. It's a good solution for that I think. They are gettin there...
Don't think anybody claims it's zero footprint, but many studies have shown that electric is less impactful than oil, even when it comes from coal. The ICE only captures about 25% of the energy fed it; an electric motor gets closer to 90%. My electricity in northern California has no coal sources at all. Many of us e-heads use solar panels on our homes.

Don't give up your gixxer, just add to it! Can't have too many bikes!

Oh, and with the add-on Givi cases, I carry all my work **** with me everyday. No problem.
 
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... Don't give up your gixxer, just add to it! Can't have too many bikes!

Oh, and with the add-on Givi cases, I carry all my work **** with me everyday. No problem.
Ah, I see that there IS an option for hard cases. They are basically the same V35's that Suzuki OEM'd for the FA! That's cool. I did not see them at first. I don't know about you but I hate wearing a backpack when I ride. I'll only wear a camel back if I am getting into a prolonged high heat scenario and need to stay hydrated.

I'm glad the Empulse is working out for you. I really do think that the technology has come far enough forward that it is a viable solution for many now. Just not for me. And unfortunately, though I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU that you can never have enough bikes in the stable, I am limited to two! So GSX it is. That bike is very efficient and fast as hell, and what can I say, I am pretty attached to that bike. But I am keeping my eye on the electrics, and they are getting better all the time. Who knows where they will be in a few years? We will see. Polaris seems to be positioning themselves to potentially be a big player in that market.
 
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Or, less than half.
Hey Nick, I don't know if you are the guy that can answer this question, but here goes. I noticed on the Brammo site that they had a whole catalog full of really cool accessories for the Empulse. So far Victory has very few options ($2,000 dollar forks, Whaaaaat?!) and a somewhat funky windscreen.

Why doesn't Vic bring the Brammo accessories over as well for the Vic Empulse TT? It's the same bike. This would give potential buyers some things to bolt on while Vic develops new stuff for the line. Just a thought, you know.
 
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I think a lot of people are wondering the same, Ampdreamer. Frankly I don't think so, but never say never! WIth the emphasis on racing and performance that Polaris seems to be putting onto the Victory brand for future apps, it may just come to pass after all. We'll have to see just how serious they are about being the performance and innovation brand...
 
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Remember, this article they charged the bike with a standard wall outlet. At home you probably would want to get a 220v line in your garage and charge it with that.

Ii would like one for around town. I would really use one if it wasn't a sport bike. I get that profile holds more batteries. Unfortunately I am short and sport bikes are tall. I would like the quiet of the bike. I have tri-ovals on my XC. When you give it gas they rumble, but when cruising just as quiet as stock. I like being able to hear what is around me. I know if a car is coming up behind me or not then.

Granted, if everything moves to electric that will be a problem :)
 
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I read this thread with interest. I'd like to suggest a few things... Elon Musk is doing a fine job with getting electric cars instantiated into the main stream. He discusses the rationale in a TED talk www.ted.com (

Elon Musk: The mind behind Tesla, SpaceX, SolarCity ... | TED Talk | TED.com

). He's one of our unique visionaries and it's worth watching. A key point of his.... grid power, although it uses hydrocarbons, is far more efficient than filling your tank. At the time of his taping, I'm sure a barrel of oil was near $50. Now that oil is cheaper, it may seem less important to explore alternatives. Even though I work in Oil and Gas, I see the need to explore electric (alternative energy) vehicles. Iabob's makes good points, she loosely points out there will always be need to explore new ways of solving problems. Sometimes the exploration doesn't work so good (steam powered cars for example).... Also note that what's good for one person is not always good for the other. A long range biker would not want an electric bike at this time. But project to the future when batteries improve, oil is expensive and charging stations are the norm.... there might be more electric bikes than others. As long as I can sit in the saddle I will be happy.

Finally, If a business doesn't innovate it dies. I for one am happy Polaris is innovating.
 
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I read this thread with interest. I'd like to suggest a few things... Elon Musk is doing a fine job with getting electric cars instantiated into the main stream. He discusses the rationale in a TED talk www.ted.com (

Elon Musk: The mind behind Tesla, SpaceX, SolarCity ... | TED Talk | TED.com

). He's one of our unique visionaries and it's worth watching. A key point of his.... grid power, although it uses hydrocarbons, is far more efficient than filling your tank. At the time of his taping, I'm sure a barrel of oil was near $50. Now that oil is cheaper, it may seem less important to explore alternatives. Even though I work in Oil and Gas, I see the need to explore electric (alternative energy) vehicles. Iabob's makes good points, she loosely points out there will always be need to explore new ways of solving problems. Sometimes the exploration doesn't work so good (steam powered cars for example).... Also note that what's good for one person is not always good for the other. A long range biker would not want an electric bike at this time. But project to the future when batteries improve, oil is expensive and charging stations are the norm.... there might be more electric bikes than others. As long as I can sit in the saddle I will be happy.

Finally, If a business doesn't innovate it dies. I for one am happy Polaris is innovating.
He's a pretty interesting character, living embodyment of "he who says it can't be done should not stand in the way of he who is doing it". I've thought for a couple years now that something like rooftop solar or wind was only half a solution. What would enable me to get off the grid would be if I had a battery strong enough to power my house. Let the solar panel or roof top turbine charge the battery, battery supplies my electricity. Use either a generator or the grid as back up. I saw a couple month's ago that's Tesla's latest product.