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MJW, Lloyd does do head work. You don't think a ton a people have tried to get a the limiter?? No ones cracked it yet. Lloyd can fool it, but not get to the code.
 

mjw930 said:
However, what Lloyd offers right now is only about half of what I think is the optimal setup and I don't see anyone on the horizon working on the last two pieces to my puzzle, the head porting and a proper reprogram of the ECM. I'll forgo the ported heads but I'm really not into the piggyback fuelers, they are recipes for disaster, I've seen the results first hand. Besides, they don't allow you to extend the rev limiter so you are leaving a lot on the table.
Lloydz offers head porting in several stages with any combination of valve sizes you want. He did my heads. The new PC-5 Power Commander is out now. It does the fuel table and has ignition timing control and incremental rev limit settings as well. Adam (of Lloydz)had one on his new race bike at the last event we were at together. Piggy-back controllers are great if you get a good one and you know how to tune it. I have the PC-III on my bike. It was installed and tuned by Lloyd and I have no complaints.
Extending the rev limiter is only an advantage if your motor is still building power beyond the stock rev limit. A set-up thatmakes power in those highRPM ranges in most cases will kill off low end torque, which is totally counterproductive on a cruiser/tourer. This is why I am such a fan of Lloyd, he knows how to make torque AND horsepower without sacrificing one for the other. He understabds that "mild is wild".
My heads received a bowl blendingandgeneral port clean-up, along with a multi angle valve job, and swirl polishing of the valves. MAJOR increases in HP without sacrificing any torque... in fact torque is better all the way across the tach.
This is before and after:


As you can see, all gains/no losses. Now, Keep in mind that my pipes SUCK and I was told up front that my numbers would reflect that. I can bring up the low end torque to a flatter curve and increase HP as well with a good 2-1 exhaust.
Also notice that the stock 5800 RPM rev limiter is retained. My best 1/4 mile times are when shifting at 5600 RPM... The way the motor is tuned now, increasing the rev limit would get me absulutely nothing.
 
Clubford00 said:
If someone wants to spend the money on a cruiser thats their decision but i dont understand why someone would want to take a smooth riding comfortable bike and hop it up. Performance is nice but performance also makes things wear out sooner. Speed costs in more ways than one.
You can see above the kind of performance I am enjoying. Now let me say this...
If you rode my bike normally, in traffic, on the highway, around town... You would never know anything was done to it. It rides and runs just like a stock Kingpin would. It is not the least bit high-strung and as long as you don't open up the throttle you would have no idea anything was done to it. The comfort of the bike is in no way affected. It still averages 45 MPG no matter how I ride it.
I really don't see a downside...
 
Half_Crazy said:
Clubford00 said:
If someone wants to spend the money on a cruiser thats their decision but i dont understand why someone would want to take a smooth riding comfortable bike and hop it up. Performance is nice but performance also makes things wear out sooner. Speed costs in more ways than one.
You can see above the kind of performance I am enjoying. Now let me say this...
If you rode my bike normally, in traffic, on the highway, around town... You would never know anything was done to it. It rides and runs just like a stock Kingpin would. It is not the least bit high-strung and as long as you don't open up the throttle you would have no idea anything was done to it. The comfort of the bike is in no way affected. It still averages 45 MPG no matter how I ride it.
I really don't see a downside...
The downside "could" be shortened engine life. I've never modified these Vic motors but have spent years modding waverunner engines in my past obsession. generally the bigger the power output, the shorter the engine lifespan as things just wear out quicker. This may or may not be a consideration for some people here but anytime you add power you usually give up some durability.
 

bikendad said:
The downside "could" be shortened engine life. This may or may not be a consideration for some people here but anytime you add power you usually give up some durability.
Remember the 'mild is wild' comment? If you keep things mild (this is a low RPM very mild engine) there is no reason to think it won't run 100,000 miles, and I'll want a new bike before then.
If I decide to keep this bike, andthe engine shows wear (which it would ANYWAY), I'll rebuild it as a 110" or a 116". They make motors every day... I want the bike to be the best it can be. It's not about racing (although that's fun and all) it's about how effortlessly the motorcycle moves. I ride this bike on 6-9 day vacations and I want to do those trips on an 11 second bagger that handles great and is all day comfortable.I have what I wanted in spades. I can ride with Goldwings,DL 1000s, C 109/M109s, VTX 1800Fs, Yamaha Roadliners/Raiders... I am NEVERoutgunned.
I'm not trying to convince anyone, and if a guy is happy with the stock bike, more power to him. This thread was the question of Lloydz Motorworks being good or not. From my experience, they are more than good. I love Adam and Lloydie like they were my little brothers. They do, however, have to work withinreality. They will give you the absolute best compromise of drivability/longevity/performance that you will get on your Victory motorcycle without fail...If you let them do their thing and listen to their advice.
I walked in WANTING a certain package. Lloyd asked me a few questions and told me what I NEEDED. I said "fine". No regrets here. I got WAY more than I expected.
 

HC
I guess this topic has rubbed you the wrong way.
I would say Lloyd appears to be one of the most honest people I have meet over the years, there is no BS with him when it comes to preformance on peoples bikes.
He seems to only want them to work at there very best and that is a good thing in this day and age.
Regards
 
Discussion starter · #29 ·
Call me spoiled but I spent the last 8 years tuning V-Rod motors with various iterations of their Race Tuner and have had both personal and associated issues with Powercommanders and Techlusion style pulse width modulators. It's not surprising that people sing the praise of the VFC and PCV considering that's all you're accustomed to having.

It's interesting to note that there is one company that has access to the ECM, S&S. Apparently they have a partnership with Victory that I suspect runs deeper than is obvious from what you can glean from their website.

As for the give and take of low end torque vs. high end HP a.k.a. the desire to extend the rev limit to 6500+ I disagree with the premise that they are mutually exclusive. I can site many examples of V-Twin motors making well over 100 ft-lbs of torque from 2000 RPM up that don't fall flat until well past 6000 RPM. It's an engineering problem that's not that difficult to resolve but I think there simply aren't enough bikes out there to make the R&D profitable.

Anyway, this is way beyond the original premise of this thread so I'll keep it for another day. It looks like I'll be having a lot of discussions with Victory, S&S, Lloyd and others over the course of Bikeweek
 
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Sutherland said:
HC
I guess this topic has rubbed you the wrong way.
I would say Lloyd appears to be one of the most honest people I have meet over the years, there is no BS with him when it comes to preformance on peoples bikes.
He seems to only want them to work at there very best and that is a good thing in this day and age.
Regards
Thank you, that brings the conversation back on point. I'm still baffled about the dealers comments considering I can't seem to find anyone on-line with bad things to day about Lloyd.
 
Sutherland said:
HC
I guess this topic has rubbed you the wrong way.
What makes you think I'm rubbed the wrong way? I answered a question about the shop that built my motor.
The conversation got onto the topic of the 'why' of performance and I offered my opinion on the subject.I have certain insight on this topic, being a gearhead, torque junkie, lifelong racer, and ex-Tech/Service Manager. I have spent good money andthrown away money in the search for performance. Lots of good lessons learned, some the hard way.
When I get rubbed the wrong way, you'll know.
 
11.96 1/4 mile time.

In today's technology over 11.00 is the turtle races. Stock 1200 Sportsters are high 12s I think.

As a hobby there are many, many riders that like to push engines and money is not an object. I respect that but maintain there is absolutely no (need) to do it. I think many may read some of the threads thinking the victory flaws get repaired or addressed by Lloyds. Making a bike faster does not mean it had faults.

I have never found one bad thing about Lloyds. Blown motors in custom motor work are a way of life. Pump it up, crank it up, blow it up and start over. We did that with our cars all the time many years ago. It was generally our installation or our absolute abuse racing that blew them.
 
Sutherland said:
Not sureif this comment at end is ment as threator not, but if it is I am not worried about you or anyone else
Regards
Would you please lighten up? I have given no indication that I am angry with anyone, norhave Ithreatened anyone. Jeeps and a Chrysler...
This is called a discussion. We are all (I hope) adults here and should be able to havesomebanter back and forth aboutmotorcycles without anyone getting their undies all wrapped around the axle. We may not agree with each other's point of view, but weshould still be able to appreciate each other's position.
Or maybe not...
 

satxron said:
11.96 1/4 mile time.
In today's technology over 11.00 is the turtle races. Stock 1200 Sportsters are high 12s I think.
1) Sportsters are 125 lbs lighter than a Kingpin with hardbags. My bike went 12.77 when I bought it.
2) Few baggers with a race weight of 960 lbs with rider run 11s. The 11.96 was in the 100 degree heat with 90+% humidity, not exactly ideal conditions.
3) There is a big difference betweenyour wants/needsand mine. Does that make my wants/needs wrong?
4) I don't even pretend that 11s are fast in comparison to Gixxers and Busas, but you must admit that in the bagger class, that's quick, and my plaque for fastest qualifier is a testament to that.
5) What does your bagger run?
When I bought this bike it went 12.77. Soon it will go 11.70s. I know a second doesn't sound like much but a second is an eternity in drag racing, and the 1/4 mileisonly a small part of riding a motorcycle. For a cruiser/bagger to run 11s on 92 octane fuel, get 45 MPG,be as docile as stock in traffic, make low end grunt like a locomotive, and retain allits creature comfortsis one hell of an achievement. It's my money, it's my bike, and it's what I want. I don't know why peoplehave to be such Negative Nancysabout it.If improving the performance of a cruiser is not your thing, then don't do it.
If you do want to improve the performance of your Victory cruiser, the smart money is spent at Lloydz Motorworks. No one gets better results than Lloyd. That's the truth.
 
What about "I respect that but maintain there is absolutely no (need) to do it" did you see as a challenge?

My bagger runs just fine the way it is. My 27 year old V-65 bone stock makes your bike look like it has a broken leg at 11.2. They were 10.7 with pro riders. I can't achieve that.

If you like having the fastest slow bike on the street, its your business and your money. Somehow you think we are inadequate if we can't go as fast as you. I find that kinda strange. But I defended your position and Lloyd in my last post. I don't intend to do it again.

Guys on R-6s are laughing at you by the way. Nobody in the cruiser class really cares who has the fastest bagger with the group I ride with.

But, there are some that like to push the motors they have to the max as a hobby. That is fine. My point about the Sporty was that my kingpin outweighs it and stock beats it. I don't need more power on my bagger. I will not spend 2grand for a second in time in the 1/4 mile on my bagger ever.
 

satxron said:
What about "I respect that but maintain there is absolutely no (need) to do it" did you see as a challenge?
No part of it. Did I appear challenged?

satxron said:
My bagger runs just fine the way it is. My 27 year old V-65 bone stock makes your bike look like it has a broken leg at 11.2. They were 10.7 with pro riders. I can't achieve that.
What's yourpoint? That you can compare apples and oranges? That's quite a talent. You are aware, of course, that a good 600cc sportbike will make yourV-65 look like it has a broken leg?

satxron said:
Somehow you think we are inadequate if we can't go as fast as you. I find that kinda strange.
Ouch... My jaw is sore from you SHOVING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.I think your feelings of inadequacy are yours alone, I had nothing to do with it. I never said or even inferred any such thing.

satxron said:
But, there are some that like to push the motors they have to the max as a hobby. That is fine.
If I wanted to push my motor to the max it would be making 160 horsepower. Maybe you should read my posts more slowly. I have said more than once that it's not all about horsepower.
satxron said:
I don't need more power on my bagger. I will not spend 2 grand for a second in time in the 1/4 mile on my bagger ever.
Good for you. I hope that keeps you happy.Are we done now?This thread is not a contest over who has the biggest penis, is it?
 
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