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Since I am new to the Victory line and starting to shop for a New Vision Tour Premium, I need some bargaining help.
What can one expect to get off the Suggested List?
How about parts at the time of purchase, any discounting?
I know Harley is starting to deal on their bikesand you can get 20% off accessories at time of new bike purchase.
Any advice on dealing would be greatly appreciated. (I am great at buying cars and Jap bikes)
 

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Victory is offering $1500. as cash or accessory's plus 5 year extended warrenty by Mar 31 2009
Nice deal I paid almost $900. for the warrenty
I would suggest seeking $2000.00 off list and using the $3500.00 for accessorys,
Garmin GPS, Chrome, XM radio, compartment liners/luggage, Luggage rack.
It is worth a shot
 

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Hi Dreamrider and Welcome!

My first question is: Have you taken a test ride? If so, what were your impressions of the bike?

Now, here goes:

Do you live in an area with more than one Victory Dealership? How far are you willing to travel to find the right deal? How important is it to you that the dealer you buy from is the dealer who will be performing periodic maintenance, repairs and mods? Would you consider a new 08 or do you prefer an 09?

Is it more important for you to save on the bike purchase or on parts and labor? (Yes, both would be nice!).

As you may have read, Victory is offering a 5-Year Warranty on new bikes. That's the newest promotion.

While everyone is entitled to a profit, I think the key here is dealing honestly and openly with the dealer. Let's face it, business is in the toilet in most sectors these days and recreational products are taking a big hit. While most dealers don't want to discount, it's a fact of life these days. Every dealer works differently. Some have reported that their dealers are installing all parts for free if they are purchased at full price at the dealership. Some dealers offer 10% off parts to those who purchased a bike from them.

Typically, most dealers install any parts made at the time of the bike purchase at no charge. This isn't a rule, but it appears to be very common.

I can only guess that your deal will depend on your specific dealer as well as your desired purchasing time frame. For some unknown reason, we're not afraid to low ball a car offer and walk away if it's not accepted, but cringe at the thought of low-balling an offer on a bike. Go Figure? After all, they are products and in this day and age anytime we spend money at a dealership, we are assisting them in keeping their doors open.As I've learned in the past, you'll never insult anyone with a legitimate offer.

I have no idea what the net cost of a bike is to a dealer. Possibly someone else can chime in with some assistance here.
 

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Welcome to the board and hopefully (soon) the Victory family.
I think negotiating a price ona new bike regardless of manufaturer is about the same as a car. Compare several different dealers if you can hell, I'd even shop online by email, then take the best offer printed out with you and sit thplace you feel the most comfy with down and listen to their pitch. Then pull the papers out. You may have to meet in between. I think parts/accessories at the timeof purchase may be a 10% itemand installed freefor some dealers.
The industry is hurting and the dealers need to move bikes and free up capital. I would only caution you not to go in like a hard ass and wind up insulting the dealer.
DO be sure to know current msrp on anything you are looking at including extended warranties.
Good luck and don't hesitate to run things past us here on the board
 

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Great info. guy's. I have also been looking at the new Kawasaki Vulcan 1700 Voyager and it seems someone comparable to the Victory but at a $4,000.00 to $5,000.00 less in cost. I really want to buy American made especially in today's times. I have to also look at I am in the same economy as these guy's and I have to make sure I am getting my money's worth.
I too am a small business owner and sell material handling equipment: http://www.alphamaterialhandling.com/
I get low balled and beat up on a daily basis and you are right, it does not feel good. I actually do sales calls and tell the customer how to fix their problem, quote them and then they shop me after I have done all the work. Yes it hurts & I do not want to be a hypocrite and do the same thing.
I am just looking for a fair deal and what the going rate is. I live in the Dallas/Ft. Worth Texas area and I am willing to drive to Waco, Austin, Houston & even up into the Oklahoma & Louisiana area for a good deal and a good dealership.
Any comments from people that have purchased Vision's in the DFW area, Waco, Austin, San Antonio, Houston, Oklahoma, Louisiana ect. I am willing to drive (6) hours for a reputable dealer with knowledge. I want to buy around here but for some reason the dealerships are not much into the Victory's. Again I stopped in to Renegades & Strokers and one was not knowledgable & the other was basically here is the price take it or leave it and I was not aloof or a hard a$$. I politely asked what is your best deal on a cash purchase.
Thanks!
 

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The 2009 offers a new color Ice Blue and Reverse is an option.
I have an 08 and I love it even though I have to push it backwards.
 

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Don't be surprised if any dealer tells you tha a cash deal makes no difference. That happened to me..I did have green US dollars with me. Dealer told me it made no difference how I paid for the bike. I know they get something back if you finance so I knew he was blowing smoke but ok...on the other hand I know that he has bills to pay and was at the time working on getting financing for a new building for himself and dollars deposited makes a bank statement look good.
Don't get me wrong, I like my dealer he has been relatively good to me but...when he wrote the bike up and asked how I was going to pay for it I pulled out a rewards credit card and he about crapped...he told me that was gonna cost him...I simply reminded him that he had told me "it doesn't matter how you pay for it".
I deposited the money and paid the credit card when the bill came and banked the Marriott points for a vacation...
Regardless of the economy the dealers will always play the angles to their favor.
 

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Here's something I've tried with cars in the past and it worked well:

Put together a full list of exactly what you want on your bike. Everything from Color to pipes to accessories. Call various dealers and get their email addresses and send an email blast to all of them asking for an "out the door" price on the bike and all the extras. Let them know your purchasing timeframe and that you've already ridden the bike and will be buying it...you're just trying to figure out WHERE you'll be spending your money. It will be interesting to see the responses you get.

Like what was stated in this thread already, we don't want to beat up the dealers, but these are tough times. It blows me away that the salesperson couldn't tell you the difference between the 08 and an 09. That makes me wonder how capable the dealer is as a Manager. I've seen this type of attitude at car dealers as well as many bike dealers and I just don't get it. A few years ago, when visiting a Toyota dealership, I had asked the salesperson a few questions. The response I got was that they have so many cars to sell that they can't know what everything does.

What? When I worked for Panasonic in the 80s, we had a few hundred products in our lineup. We were expected to know EVERY product in the line. Just knowing the differences between all the clock-radios was a full time job! But, I had great Boss who about once per month or so, would have some funky games (yes, booze was involved) and contests with prizes and quiz us about specific products. He made knowing our line a lot of fun. We also had product specialist who, like Victory's Regional Managers, would visit and hold some fun training meetings. While I've met the local Victory Regional Manager, I have no idea if training the sales staff is the factory's responsibility. If it's not, maybe it should be. After all, there is no substitute for product knowledge.

You would think that these days, just getting a paycheck is enough motivation to read the brochure to know the bikes they are selling. Heck, you would think that the dealers and the salespeople would go online and see what the riders are talking about.

Sorry, but this "lack of knowledge" stuff just irks me. Hey, there's no Governmental Bailout for Stupidity! Oops, maybe there is and I just haven't figured it out yet! Maybe I should read the bailout program!
 

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stilcrazee said:
Don't get me wrong, I like my dealer he has been relatively good to me but...when he wrote the bike up and asked how I was going to pay for it I pulled out a rewards creit card and he about crapped...he told me that was gonna cost him...I simply reminded him that he had told me "it doesn't matter how you pay for it".
I deposited the money and paid the credit card when the bill came and banked the Marriott points for a vacation...
Regardless of the economy the dealers will always play the angles to their favor.
Now, that's PRICELESS!
 

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The 2009 offers a new color Ice Blue and Reverse is an option.
I have an 08 and I love it even though I have to push it backwards.
And, they did something with the stereo and speakers on the 09s. I'm not sure exactly what, but some improvement was stated to have been made. Now, if they could figure out how to fix the antenna! Uh-Oh, I feel a VIDEO coming on...

And let's not forget NOT to buy the GPS for $1,000 from the dealer when it can be found for $250 online...and has been discontinued by Garmin! The mount, YES...the GPS, NO!
 

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Andy,
Great Idea. I was thinking about doing that but I did not know how well it would be recieved. All they can do is ignore it or tell me no. I hope to hear from some people around this area to see what dealers they have chosen.
Thanks & I will let you know how it turns out.
 

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This is an interesting topic. Being fair to the Dealer or getting the best price you can for your investment. Note that you will loose a nice percentage of your investment the day it's titled.

I have purchased 3 Vics, all new. On all of them, I looked for the best price for my investment. Always went to 3 or 4 dealers to get a price. I then went to the local dealer that I have supported over the years, and said that I will buy the bike for x price, with all the added stuff installed. He has always excepted the offer and takes good care of my needs.

One thing I have learned though, I don't think I will ever buy a new bike again. There are too many people that buy Bikes that don't use them or they get in over their heads on the payment. Vics just don't go bad. Get a bike with 2000 miles on it (it's just starting to get broke in) and save a ton of $$$.

I did see the Voyager at the IMS show last week. It does look nice and has a lot of the bells and a nice price. I think I would purchase a H.D. (thought I would never say this) before I would get one. Might as well get the real thing.

Buy a used street (I like the looks so much better without the trunk), get a luggage rack and a back rest (for use with a bag when touring)and you will have one hell of a ride.

I will be on the look out for a Black one in the near future. Planning on blackening out the wheels, exhaust and most of the gray stock stuff.

Good Luck!!!
 

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Bubba,
The "Blacked Out" Theme was another way I was going to go. I found it difficult to find the accessories to go that route. I know you can have some things powder coated but then you have the issue of "Who makes a black exhaust?" or "What is the best method to paint all of the gray plastic items to where it will be durable?" I didn't realize that a lot of the "brushed steel" looking items on the Vision are plastic / composite. I gues you could have them painted and the other items powder coated. Have you done any work on how you were going to go about blacking out the bike?
 

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I have helped a friend of mine do his H.D., and yes there are many more parts available for them. Just off the top of my head (this is without any knowledge of the Vision) I would probably get the plastic stuff painted and anything metal power coated.

If I were to do this, I would ride for a season while I develop a plan for the winter. I have found out through the internet there is someone out there that has done whatever you are looking to do, no matter what it is. I have had help from dealers, people from all over the country, people I have met and after market companies who are all willing to help. On the custom 00C I built, I think I purchased stuff from around 20 States.

I love to work on them, especially in the winter when I can not ride. It's a real adventure, but when it's finished, all the time and $$ are all worth the effort.

Now you have me thinking. All I need is the bike to get started. :)
 

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Free country and say what you want. Please put it in another posting titled political bull ****. This way I do not have to waist my time going through this one just to find your BS message that does not have anything to do with the thread. It's a Victory Riders site. Thanks

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Andy said:
....Sorry, but this "lack of knowledge" stuff just irks me. Hey, there's no Governmental Bailout for Stupidity! Oops, maybe there is and I just haven't figured it out yet! Maybe I should read the bailout program!
Of course there is. They just passed a bunch of them. I won't go all political, but much of the buyout programs are for exactly that - people too stupid to know they can't afford something and expect someone else to pay for it now, and corporations doing even worse things and using the money for incredible things. All followed up by our new Congress ladling hundreds of millions of PORK into a so-called stimulus package.

If that's not bailing out stupidity, I don't know what is. My on-going divorce is going to cost me a lot - can I expect my 'bailout' anytime soon to recoup my personal losses? After all, I was stupid and got married.
 

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I bought my Black 09 Premium Tour for 19400 plus tax/tag/paperwork fee of 250 (I think) and my 6% sales tax. I thought that was a pretty good deal since MSRP is 22699. This was in December before the rebates and free extended warranty. My dealer was very up front about his pricing and I had a great experience. This was in Georgia.
 

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Merc64,
Great information! That was the exact information I was looking for and I really appreciate it. Hey, who was your dealer I might have to make a road trip to Georgia! Again thanks for the valuable information.
 

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dreamrider2009 said:
Merc64,
Great information! That was the exact information I was looking for and I really appreciate it. Hey, who was your dealer I might have to make a road trip to Georgia! Again thanks for the valuable information.
My dealer was Victory of Cumming, 678-455-6460. They are north of Atlanta. The owner of the dealership is Jeff. I picked that dealership after asking in other forums about dealerships in GA and SC.Jeff was pretty coolto dealwith and they sell alot of Visions.When I looked I did find some new 08's and demo 08's available at other dealerships. They could have been bought for significantly less but I liked the upgradedstereo, wheels, and forks of the 09 plus the option of adding a reverse if needed later. I already had my financing and knew how much I was going to spend which I think helped me in my search. I'd recommend searching the Polaris website and finding dealers within a radius you are willing to travel to andthen check their inventory.When I did my search I was amazedat the difference in pricing especially on the 09's. It might be worth itto travel a little distance. Good luck with your search and you simply can't go wrong buying a Vision.
 
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