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First, let me just describe myself as a motorcycle dunderhead.. I have a Kingpin Low (09) and I'm considering selling it to take up passengering in comfort. I love my KP, but there are more times these days that I'd rather be a passenger and enjoy life more.
I'm considering trading it for a Vision OR selling it privately and buying a Goldwing so my husband and I can venture out for both short and long trips.
I'm curious to know from Vision owners what makes this bike in particular better than a Goldwing? Seems like a broad question, but I've read the opposite in a GL1800 forum, so I wanted to hear from you all.
Here's what we want:
1. Comfort and room over longer distances - up to 500 miles a day, sometimes 200 miles a day.
2. All the bells and whistles - Nav, great sound, LOTS of storage.
3. My husband has been riding bikes for 25 years and wants performance and guts.
Let me also state that my hubby is NOT impressed with the loud pipes, HD crowd. He's Australian, so his idea of a great performance bike is his 1990 Kawi "sitting in our garage collecting dust that he refuses to sell because it's a classic bike". He rides a Vulcan 2000 now and loves it, but if we ride 2 up, he wants to move into something better.
Let me also state that as much as I love my Kingpin, I DO NOT like it for long distances, the seat is uncomfortable for me, but other than that I love the performance and muscle.
Just your thoughts and experiences are much appreciated.
 

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Here's an older video from the archives. It's a two-part video that was designed to look at the Vision and a Harley Ultra from a Goldwing rider's point of view:
 

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I was actually waiting for the new GW to be announced and so far I have heard anything so I ended up with the Vision.
For flat out stock performance the GW wins and for the upcoming 2011 models they had announced a larger motor but with the economy who even knows if it is going to be produced.
Riding comfort goes to the Vision based on the current GW. Although for a passenger the GW might win, I cant see installing those only passenger arm rest on the Vision.
Price the Vision wins hands down, the 2011 GW's are estimated at $30k+. The current model option for option cost about $24k.
I like the GW's water cooled motor, the Vision is a little hot for my taste. But for the dollar the Vision is a pretty clear winner in my book.
Style, again the Vision wins, the GW is an old tired design.
 

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my last Goldwing experience ended in 99 when I picked up my first Victory so I can't state too much.

Leg room for both rider and passenger are far better on the Vision.

Engine may be faster on the Wing(unless you cam the Vision then it'll be a fight) but on a touring bike both have more than enough grunt to push around the bikes and luggage.

extras the Vision wins again but if you wait for the new Wing that'll probably change again.

Aftermarket the Goldwing wins easily depending on how much you'd care to customize.
 

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You were talking about taking a hit on the KP and I think everyone will be in pretty much agreement that you will. However if you and your husband both have bikes, sell both of them (even with a little hit) and it will be easier to get that new ride. You were talking of being an exclusive passenger anyway right?
I would opt for the Vision because if there is ever a time when you or your hubby decide to go solo, just pop the trunk off, and off you go.
You certainly cant do that on a GW.
 

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Thank you so much for your honest input and feedback. Style-wise, the Vision and the Goldwing both have appeal. There are many who dislike the modern styling of the Vision, but I believe it's all in how you see it and it's a personal decision. My husband likes both.
If you read some of the GL1800 forums that compare the two models, it's also very confusing. However, price-wise you get alot more features for the money on the GW than the Vision. Comparing the 2009 models, you can pick up a GW loaded for about 22K, the Vision, about 26K.. and the vision has shortcomings in both trunk space, and other.
Sorry, but I had to laugh at the GW's air bag. Air bag? I wonder if your insurance premiums offer you a discount with an airbag!
Also, the GW has a reverse built in, tire pressure gauge built in, built in Nav (the idea of taking one on and off is not appealing really).
So, the best way for us to make the decision is to test ride both. I CAN ride the vision, just barely.. but it is do able and it can be lowered an inch to better accommodate. That's one huge feature going for it.
 

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I have ridden a wing 1800for about 15 miles and had the use of a 2009 Vision for a day and being 5'5" with a 30 inch inseam I was more comfy on the Vision. The wing can be lowered but nobody reccomends it. Once the trunk is available for the Cross bikes they should fit the bill for coast to coast touring.
 

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BellesAZ said:
If you read some of the GL1800 forums that compare the two models, it's also very confusing. However, price-wise you get alot more features for the money on the GW than the Vision. Comparing the 2009 models, you can pick up a GW loaded for about 22K, the Vision, about 26K.. and the vision has shortcomings in both trunk space, and other.
Also, the GW has a reverse built in, tire pressure gauge built in, built in Nav (the idea of taking one on and off is not appealing really).
BellesAZ,
Let me tell you first, never believe anything from a forum...lol I just purchased a Vision fully loaded for 10,000 less then the number you have above and that was the out the door price.
For 1k( I think that is the price)I can add the reverse but dont find it necessary with the lower seat height but that is a personal preference. The built in Nav is one of the biggest complaints of GW riders I know. Tire pressure gauge is a plus, but just added to my Vision for $200.00
I'm with you, I do like the GW, storage and highway it is a great bike but that also makes it a little more clumsy around town.
Don
 

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BellesAZ said:
Sorry, but I had to laugh at the GW's air bag. Air bag? I wonder if your insurance premiums offer you a discount with an airbag!
When I was insuring the Spyder RT, the insurance agent asked if the trike had ABS...YES, and a discount was applied.

Then She asked if it had an Airbag...Nope, but if it did, it would have qualified for another discount.

Since this was the first RT this agency had insured, it took a bit longer to write the policy as She truly did her homework in order to get me the most coverage for a reasonable price. Initially, the system her agency used defaulted the RT to the RS and placed it in a sport, not a touring category. She fixed that!
 

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Leg room....Leg room...Leg room Victory is the most comfortable bike out there for long days in the saddle.
One thing i really noticed when shopping for a bike was when i sat on the wing i was "locked" into one position. Small pegs that had one spot for feet and that was it. The vision was massive in the foot position area compared to the wing. On the long trips ive taken with no ad ons, i could find a different and comfortable position all day long.
 

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I understand your issue with the KP. I had an 07 KP tour, great bike, fit me well. The problem was riding 2 up. We would take several trips around 250 miles or so and by the time we arrived, the last thing we wanted to do was ride some more.
We traded the KP for an 09 Vision Tour Premium. The change is amazing. Comfort to spare. We added the GPS and an IPOD adapter. Now I set the cruise and ride all day, no sweat!
If you act soon, there may still be a few 09's around and perhaps swing a good deal.
Let us know your decision!
 

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BellesAZ,
I think you are on the right track getting feedback from both GW and Vision owners so you know what to look for but personally I would take those opinions with a grain of salt (they are ALL valid, just biased).
Once you and your husband test ride both bike you will definately know which bike is for you. make sure you get to test each bike for at LEAST an hour to really get an understanding of what it will and wont do.
If your decision is really close then come back to the comments from other riders and make a Pros/cons list. other than that. YOU will know which one is right at the end of the day.
Good luck and hope you stay in the Victory family, but either way you are alwyas welcome on theVOG.....or is it I-ryde.net?....i get confused at times. :)
 

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Well here's my two cents. First I came from a 2004 Gl1800 and went to a '09 KP. Big difference, but the reason (mostly a run in with a deer) was that my wife was not interested in touring any more, so I boutght the KP for me.
The Goldwing for me is probably the hands down best two up touring bike there is. Of course that's me, all 5'61/2". Leg room, well I prefer the "standard" type seat position with legs under me and for longer legs, add the highway pegs to change up.
Reverse, well backing up a slight incline with no power is no fun. Add a passenger, a little sand, well you will love the power reverse.
Handling, I added custom fork springs and dampners as well as the custom rear shock and front fork brace. This made the Wing ride like it was on rails.
Power, excellent for a touring bike or most bikes for that matter, 120 Hp and 120 lbs ft torque, no need to downshift and no need to modify.
Mufflers, very quiet, which I like. On a slow country road or on the highway,perfect.
Wind protection, well the passenger did suffer some serious buffeting.
Brakes and I can attest to this, fantastic, ABS andlinked, stops great. When I hit the deer I do not know if I even hit the foot brake. Stopped straight up. Of course dazed and confused. Most other bike manufacturers could take a lesson from Honda on brakes. IMHO
Passenger seat is huge and comfy, at least that's what the wife told me.
So I guess you can tell I am somewhat biased, although I have not ridden a Vision. But the fact is you must try them both out and decides what best fits and suits you.
I must admit I am waiting for the new re-modelled Japanese Wing, but before I buy I will definitely try the Vision.
Good luck and good riding.
 

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BellesAz,
For what it's worth this is how my wife and I decided on the Vision:
We knew we wanted a fully loaded touring bike so it came down to the big 4
Harley Ultra Glide, Honda Gold Wing. BMW K1200LT and the Vision.
After months of research (online, magazines, word of mouth, dealers etc....) We narrowed it down to 2 (BMW and the Vision) We took the Harley off because we felt the ride was OK but we REALLY did not want a Harley (as well as the whole culture that goes with it) We took the Gold Wing off because we felt it was just too "old". We are in our late forties and are grandparents but the Gold Wing seems to say "old couple" and we are not there yet. (I will say the Gold Wing is an awesome machine and rides like nobodies business)
So now we had the 2 left. All that was left to do was to ride each. We did so in the same day and decided on the Vision. We took a note pad with us on each ride and wrote down what our likes and dislikes were on each bike. For us it came dow to 3 things:
Comfort, Style and Price.
Since we are both tall, (5'11) The Vision was far more comfortable, with lots of leg and foot room. The ride on both was excellent. The BMWs backrest was not as comfortable as the Visionand the trunk was rather small. As far as power, the BMW could probably out run the Vision but that was not important to us because we are not going to do any "iron butt" or "sport" type of riding. (after all it is a "touring" bike) With us both on there is plenty of power to accelerate, pass and so on. As far as style, the Vision won also. Since I have a Concours, we already have a "sport" looking bike. We wanted a "cruiser" looking style bike that shows the engine. Classic, if you will. So now we have both.
So I guess it comes down to this: What do YOU GUYS want? You guys will be the ones riding the bike you choose. So decide on what you want and do the process of elemination. It took us about 6 months before we finally made the decision. I will tell you we are happy as all get out. Whatever you choose, have fun!
Roman
 

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All great points and extremely compelling for the Vision.

We are going to rent one for the entire weekend and just go. My husband is not crazy about the drivers seat in the Vision, but we can get that fixed.. and his mind might change once he's on it for a couple hundred miles. I thought there was more room on the GW for the pax, but still the vision has plenty. I did feel more comfortable on the Vision.. just sitting on it in the showroom floor.
And yes, I'm with you Roman.. we're not into the Harley lifestyle and the idea of 60 year olds in buttless chaps gets old after awhile.. although, I'm planning on buying some when I turn 60! LOL
You're right in that I see people riding the Wing and think, Senior Citizen, but of course, that's just our pre-conceived notions. We're not that old, so having something sleek, sporty and rather sexy is still important.
I think the biggest reason to have the Vision is that I can ride it whenever I get the urge to get out there.. which would be nice if my husband could keep his VN 2000 or get his "classic" Yamaha in pristine condition, which is what he wants to do.
The final pull is that my Victory dealer would probably get me a screaming deal on one.. with a decent amount for my trade.
Thank you all for your input. You have no idea how much it means to get a complete picture from Vision riders and GW riders.. with a bit of bias thrown in for good measure. It never hurts, right?
In case any of you wish to read some of the commentary, the link is here..
http://www.gl1800riders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214600
 

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BellesAZ said:
Damn, I think some HD guys died and came back as Honda riders...lol It started out great and went south real quick. Again, for $10,000.00 less then the comparable GW there is no comparison. If pricing was equal I would take the Wing because it is water cooled but pricing is not equal.
The CB retails for 650
Reverse 1500
Nav 500+- (buy the mount from the dealer and the unit from amazon)
You still save over 7k
 

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Comfort and style of the Vision and Wing are personal and only you can make that call. But I wouldn't be so quick to discount the airbag option of the Honda. I don't own an airbag model Wing but I sure do appreciate that engineers made it available. I'd like to have one. Honda still has 2008 airbag Wings available for about $24K OTD. Still seems a bit high though as the retail on it is about $20K while theaverage trade in is about $15K.
All the best,
Mark
 

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I found the wing did not suit the aches and pains in my ageing body. After an hour test ride I was in real pain which needed a good bit of exercise to get over. My problem which makes my range of choices smaller
It was a bit cramped and the ride was a bit firm. As a machine it was well made with plenty of great features.

The vision suited me with the long forward control floorboards. It also put a smile on my face with its character, big V twin, the polarising looks, now has ABS (which it needed to have to keep up with competitors) and I was able to have a excellent long test ride with the feeling the dealers are confident in the product being able to sell itself.
A couple of cars we are thinking of upgrading too have been far different when we test drove them and we hope to find something which brings a smile like the vision did. I remember thinking "ah thats what they are talking about mmm" - Vision
 

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BellesAz, it's certainly wise of you to reach out, as I did when I was doing the exact same research, to those who have already been down that road to help you move toward a decision. I wish you the best of luck with whatever you decide to do.
I believe the most important comparisons have already been mentioned so, as a Vision rider, I'll just second the motions of some good points.
"1. Comfort and room over longer distances - up to 500 miles a day, sometimes 200 miles a day."
It's a matter of opinion but the Vision is often commented to have the most comfortable factory seats on a tour bike. Footboards for the passenger and driver allows you to stretch out or pull back your legs as you ride, you have to experience it to appreciate that benefit. As Clubford said, you won't feel 'locked in' as you would on a GW. My wife loves the fact that there is a nice space between her and I when we are riding 2up, and her position allows her to see over the top of my head, and not staring into the back of it. She doesn't even want armrests. You don't realize the difference heated seats and grips make until you use them.
The bike is not liquid cooled so getting caught in summer traffic in certain states... that sucker will put out some heat, especially on the right side. Get some lower air deflectors to help cool things down. The observations made about the GW are very accurate, drives like a car, a Vision drives like a motorcycle.. a fun motorcycle. When you are a 'blue hair' get a GW, lol. However, customizing a GW is alot less expensive.
"2. All the bells and whistles - Nav, great sound, LOTS of storage."
As mentioned, a separate Nav is the way to go. Take it with you to use in other vehicles, easier to update, repair, replace, etc. The Vision trunk comes off! That is huge once you get to where you want to go, unpack andjust cruise around. Saddlebags offer very little storage space but the trunk is pretty big. The sound is great I plug in my iphone and play all my tunes, it's bluetoothed to my helmet so I take calls as they come in as well. It's great to have that adjustable windshield, I use that constantly, (highway speeds or in town). Like you, I don't roll with the "60 year old buttless chaps, how much money can I blow on more HD merchandise in that crappy orange color" crowd. On a Vision you will stand out from the crowd, people will come over and want to look at your bike, ask questions, take pictures while that 'other' bunch over there adorned in orange and blackwill most likely snub their noses at you because inside they know you look way kewler than they do, is that 'kool-aid' they're drinking? lol! It's okay they're entitled to their opinion if they don't likethe Vision they can just piss off!I'm just trying to fluff the dandruff, most of my friends are in that same crowd too lol.
"3. My husband has been riding bikes for 25 years and wants performance and guts."
I like to 'get on it' when I'm coming up an on ramp to a freeway, (I try to make sure ZZTop kicks in right about then for the big entrance),the bikesounds great without being annoying, and the power is plenty for me.. you're at 75 before you blink, you level off at cruise altitude and speed, then you kick in that 6 gear overdrive and the bikesettles into a satisfying purrrr, Yeah you got their attention.
I'm fortunate that I have zero maintenance issues to report since I've had mine. Throw whatever oil you prefer in there with some bacon grease and saw dust every coupla thousand miles and your good to go.
Again, lots of good input from the others here, good luck with it.
PS, there are some other YouTube vids of some comparison rides. There's one with some European guys rode across county on a Vison, HD, and a BMW. They chose the.... well don't want to ruin it. ;)
 
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