So true. Millenials are nothing like us boomers. In 20 hrs from now when most of us have hung it up it will be interesting to see where American Big twin Motorcycling ends up. We are the end of great times my friends.The north American market is saturated and mature. Most people who want this stuff already have it. Building stuff in a high cost country and trying to sell in a low cost country won't work. HD has the right idea. Build cheaper smaller bikes and focus on emerging markets. A billion potential riders in India vs less then half that in north America? Where would u focus on? As much as we think we know better companies like hd do what's right for them. Flag waving and patriotism are great for marketing to a older generation. Most millennials dont care about that. Millenials have grown up in a global economy. They dont care. I dont blame them.
Why are you going to quit riding in 20 hours? If that is the case, you better get off this website and go ride!!!So true. Millenials are nothing like us boomers. In 20 hrs from now when most of us have hung it up it will be interesting to see where American Big twin Motorcycling ends up. We are the end of great times my friends.
Completely agree. I had been off motorcycles for 20 years. I came back at 48 in 2012. I bought a 900 vulcan cause i wanted a naked bike, not some "old man" motorcycle with fairing etc....I think you all are wrong. Yes they don't want cruisers now but as they age they will. I see many people riding cruisers now that started out on sport bikes.
As always it's supply and demand. HD has an over-supply right now so they have to mark down their new unsold previous years bikes. Victory did the same thing.Interstingly, I received a flyer from HD. They are giving $2000 off of new 2017s and 2018s. $1500 of 2019s! Is this new? i am not a HD guy so i wouldn't know. it seems surprising they have a rebate on a 2019 that just came out...
One significant difference: Polaris readily admitted their plans to move production to Poland and elsewhere before tariffs became an issue. HD, like that fella who said "it depends on what is is," tried to use tariffs as a scapegoat after the fact. They resemble more a marketing than manufacturing company.Interesting. Fake news? Maybe. Maybe not. Harley didn't make any friends with their actions, that is for sure. But if those same people took a deeper look at Polaris indian, they would see that they are doing almost the same damned thing. They have shifted a ton of work to Mexico and are going to Poland as well. So far it hasn't cost any American jobs - yet. Give them time...
Millennials are the first generation to out number Boomers. That is the main reason why they are the focus of marketing plans. Millennials are the ones companies are targeting to see what it is going to take to get them to start buying bikes the way the Boomers did. They skipped right over the Gen X'ers. I guess there just isn't enough of us to make it worth while.Demographics say it all. Amusing the bit about "millennials have grown up in a global economy". I almost lost my lunch laughing so hard. WE ALL GREW UP IN A GLOBAL ECONOMY. Car and motorcycle parts, electronics and other items have been made abroad for "American" brands since before I was born (Mid last century) Soooo, that part is a reach at best. Reality (IMHO) ? The largest group of consumers in the history of this great nation is getting OLD. There aren't as many coming along behind us and of course (like many of us before them) they don't want, as one so eloquently pointed out, an old man bike. IMHO they want adventure bikes, naked bikes, and sport bikes. Polaris and even HD are slowly figuring that bit out. Additionally, emerging markets clearly don't have an appetite for large bikes partly because they cannot afford them especially if they are made in the US and then their own countries place enormous tariffs on their import. Yell all you want about American leadership (I get it) but those bastards abroad do the same (If not worse) thing. So for me, I'm gonna watch it and laugh and ride my Victories until the wheels fall off. LMYR
That's because they are, and have been for decades. You don't get that big and stay that big with an inferior product (based solely on the product's merits, not the love and loyalty that go with it) without a huge marketing effort.They resemble more a marketing than manufacturing company.
I, however, wanted a full dresser from before I could even ride. I was totally enamored with the fully-lit Christmas-tree Goldwings I saw in the mid 80s and that's what I wanted. Had my first bike, a Honda CB750C for 1 year and put 10,000 miles on it. The next year, I had a full dresser Suzuki Cavalcade (and put 40,000 on it in 4 years).Speaking personally; I didn't want nor think about buying a touring style bike until I was in my 40's so using me as an example; the motor companies targeting Millennials under 40 might want to focus more on lighter cruisers or sport bikes and eventually e-bikes while still making touring bikes for those who can afford and want them.
Harley already announced plans to build the Thailand plant about a year before the tariffs but it was going to be a CKD plant only. Polaris announced their plans to build Indians out of the Poland plant after Harley made their announcement.One significant difference: Polaris readily admitted their plans to move production to Poland and elsewhere before tariffs became an issue. HD, like that fella who said "it depends on what is is," tried to use tariffs as a scapegoat after the fact. They resemble more a marketing than manufacturing company.