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dsjr70 said:
Here is a perfect example, I was just in another tread and seen the tagline for Hawkineer....
2010 Victory Cross Roads p>
Do you not see brand loyalty here?
Not sure about the brand loyalty but I do see a pattern, inline 4, V-twin, inline 4, V-twin, V-twin, wanted to buy a Harley ( hence all the V-twins ) found Victory, the rest is history.
 

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spider said:
dsjr70 said:
Here is a perfect example, I was just in another tread and seen the tagline for Hawkineer....
2010 Victory Cross Roads p>
Do you not see brand loyalty here?
Not sure about the brand loyalty but I do see a pattern, inline 4, V-twin, inline 4, V-twin, V-twin, wanted to buy a Harley ( hence all the V-twins ) found Victory, the rest is history.
That's quite a leap. I know a lot of people who ride V-Twin cruisers that have absolutely no interest in buying a current generation Harley Air cooled V-Twin, me being one of them. Your Harley bigotry is showing.
 

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spider said:
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Did you mean to quote someone else? If not I lost your point....
"The Sportster may be a peice of crap (I have no clue) but I know allot of HD guys that started on a Sportster because that was what they could afford at the time."
My point was they could afford a much better bike than a Sportster for the money they spent, so if cash was not really an issue, why would they buy a Sportster in the first place ? Performance ? Reliability ? Cool factor ?
Ya I kinda went off track a little, I do that once in a while.
I, in" my " opinion, do not believe we, sorry, Victory needs a little bike, they need to stay where they are, leading edge, V-Twin power cruiser.
When my old lady wants to get her licence, i'll help her get a small, reliable bike, cheap, then she can get a bigger bike when she learns how to ride.
She may not want a Vic, who knows, buti'm sure she won't be on a Sportster.
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Yeah but if they start on a Suzuki cruiser where are they going to get all the cool clothing? lol
My point is these guys wanted a Fatboy, Dyna or some other HD. They didnt want a metric even though the metrics are better then the Sportster but the Sportster is what they could afford. Also, you have to keep in mind that most people finance their bikes. It was difficult to finance a used HD through first tier companies 5 years ago, now it is near impossible. I went through this the other day on my 8-Ball, the gentleman had $7,000 to put down and still could not get financed for the remaining $3500.
 

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mjw930 said:
What I don't understand is why a smaller Victory seems to threaten so many here?
Why do we really need a smaller motorcycle ?
I'm only here because of HD, that's right.
If it was not for a " big " American V-twin in the first place, I would not have bought my Vic.
I don't need more than one machine, I can only ride one at a time, I don't need a " bar hopper ", I need a full grown motorcycle.
I would not buy a brand new " small " Victory for my old lady to learn on, or my son, i'll buy used, then buy a bigger machine once they are confident.
 

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dsjr70 said:
Here is a perfect example, I was just in another tread and seen the tagline for Hawkineer....
2010 Victory Cross Roads p>
Do you not see brand loyalty here?
Not sure about the brand loyalty but I do see a pattern, inline 4, V-twin, inline 4, V-twin, V-twin, wanted to buy a Harley ( hence all the V-twins ) found Victory, the rest is history.
Spider you crack me up... Only you would pass over the fact that his first 5 bikes were Honda's and progressively larger...lol
 

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SofaKingBlue said:
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This just takes you to dealer web sites. I think it's a teaser.
Sure it's a teaser but not in the way you are thinking. If my dealer has a stock 2009 Vegas on the floor I expect to be able to buy it for the price published on Victory's website. If I can't because the dealer won't honor this promotion then I'll find another or move on to another brand motorcycle from a company that honors it's promotions.

Took me 20 seconds to find this 2008 Kingpin Tour discounted $5000 off MSRP. Brand new bike, 3 models years old, $5000 off MSRP.

http://www.locomotionpowersports.co...K2010J8I54I40JPMQ2956R0&veh=55585&pov=1389560
 

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2 things....
If victory can make/sell a bike for under 10K why does it have to be under 1000 cc?
Victory is not relying on just Victory to stay in business. Polaris is a 1.8 billion dollar a year company without Victory.
 

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mjw930 said:
spider said:
dsjr70 said:
Here is a perfect example, I was just in another tread and seen the tagline for Hawkineer....
2010 Victory Cross Roads p>
Do you not see brand loyalty here?
Not sure about the brand loyalty but I do see a pattern, inline 4, V-twin, inline 4, V-twin, V-twin, wanted to buy a Harley ( hence all the V-twins ) found Victory, the rest is history.
That's quite a leap. I know a lot of people who ride V-Twin cruisers that have absolutely no interest in buying a current generation Harley Air cooled V-Twin, me being one of them. Your Harley bigotry is showing.
At least i'm honest, i'll never ride a Harley clone, and the big four all tried to copy Harley, with no luck.
Victory did it right, new slate, built it right, not a copy.
I'll only ride an American V-Twin, i've had lots of inline fours, good bikes, and when I could afford it I bought my Harley.
Call me a bigot if you want, i'll still sleep well with my American made motorcycle in my garage, and i'm not even American.
 

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Half_Crazy said:
2 things....
If victory can make/sell a bike for under 10K why does it have to be under 1000 cc?
Victory is not relying on just Victory to stay in business. Polaris is a 1.8 billion dollar a year company without Victory.
It doesnt have to be under any cc, it is mostly a weight factor for the new rider.
1.8 Billion sounds like allot but a few years back I sold my company to a 2 billion dollar company. They have since went belly up. Point being 1.8 billion is not much when you are talking about manufacturers. Also, Polaris answers to it's shareholders not to us and if the numbers arent there.... Well we seen what happened to the watercrafts...
 

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dsjr70 said:
spider said:
dsjr70 said:
Here is a perfect example, I was just in another tread and seen the tagline for Hawkineer....
2010 Victory Cross Roads p>
Do you not see brand loyalty here?
Not sure about the brand loyalty but I do see a pattern, inline 4, V-twin, inline 4, V-twin, V-twin, wanted to buy a Harley ( hence all the V-twins ) found Victory, the rest is history.
Spider you crack me up... Only you would pass over the fact that his first 5 bikes were Honda's and progressively larger...lol
It was brand loyalty to me until I saw the V-twins, then my " HD bigotry " kicked in, my bad.
 

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Rollin said:
Ibought a new Sportster in 1994. I bought it because it wasthe lightest and fastest ofthe Harleys at the time.
Thank you, you made my point perfectly.
"it was the lightest and fastest of the HARLEYS at the time".
Granted, but I'll bet you wouldn't have had to look hard to find a lighter, faster, smoother, and cheaperbike from Japan (Nighthawk comes to mind).You were looking for a Harley to start with... and probably on a budget... the Harleythat was withinbudget just happened to be light and quick (for a Harley).
 

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spider said:
mjw930 said:
spider said:
dsjr70 said:
Here is a perfect example, I was just in another tread and seen the tagline for Hawkineer....
2010 Victory Cross Roads p>
Do you not see brand loyalty here?
Not sure about the brand loyalty but I do see a pattern, inline 4, V-twin, inline 4, V-twin, V-twin, wanted to buy a Harley ( hence all the V-twins ) found Victory, the rest is history.
That's quite a leap. I know a lot of people who ride V-Twin cruisers that have absolutely no interest in buying a current generation Harley Air cooled V-Twin, me being one of them. Your Harley bigotry is showing.
At least i'm honest, i'll never ride a Harley clone, and the big four all tried to copy Harley, with no luck.
Victory did it right, new slate, built it right, not a copy.
I'll only ride an American V-Twin, i've had lots of inline fours, good bikes, and when I could afford it I bought my Harley.
Call me a bigot if you want, i'll still sleep well with my American made motorcycle in my garage, and i'm not even American.
I certainly never doubted your honesty of sincerity. FYI, the "no luck" statement might not hold water. I'm pretty sure Victory would be quite happy to have Honda or Yamaha's global V-Twin sales figures.
 

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Rollin said:
Ibought a new Sportster in 1994. I bought it because it wasthe lightest and fastest ofthe Harleys at the time.
Thank you, you made my point perfectly.
"it was the lightest and fastest of the HARLEYS at the time".
Granted, but I'll bet you wouldn't have had to look hard to find a lighter, faster, smoother, and cheaperbike from Japan (Nighthawk comes to mind).You were looking for a Harley to start with... and probably on a budget... the Harleythat was withinbudget just happened to be light and quick (for a Harley).
I'm not sure if it was a budget issue with Rollin, but you have also made my point. If it was a budget issue atleast HD had something to offer him. Also, if Rollins says it is one of his favorite bikes how bad can they be?
 

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dsjr70 said:
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Rollin said:
Ibought a new Sportster in 1994. I bought it because it wasthe lightest and fastest ofthe Harleys at the time.
Thank you, you made my point perfectly.
"it was the lightest and fastest of the HARLEYS at the time".
Granted, but I'll bet you wouldn't have had to look hard to find a lighter, faster, smoother, and cheaperbike from Japan (Nighthawk comes to mind).You were looking for a Harley to start with... and probably on a budget... the Harleythat was withinbudget just happened to be light and quick (for a Harley).
I'm not sure if it was a budget issue with Rollin, but you have also made my point. If it was a budget issue atleast HD had something to offer him. Also, if Rollins says it is one of his favorite bikes how bad can they be?
And THAT is what it all boils down to. There are thousands of riders who WANT to buy American and buy new but don't have the disposable income to buy a big Harley or any Victory. Today their choice is a Sportster or a Japanese clone. That's the market Victory needs to exploit.
 

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mjw930 said:
I certainly never doubted your honesty of sincerity. FYI, the "no luck" statement might not hold water. I'm pretty sure Victory would be quite happy to have Honda or Yamaha's global V-Twin sales figures.
For that matter Suzuki and Kawasaki would be happy too...lol
 
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