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Running without the so called "Torque compensator" ???

Discussion in 'Tech Q&A' started by agusta74, Jun 9, 2021.

  1. slickvic

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    And I apologize for my snarky comment :
    “ Just ride it “.
    Let me say this ...... we cannot compare big twin bikes to smaller displacement bikes that we have had in our past. 100” and larger motors are a lot of motor for a frame and a seat. The transmission and Drive line need to be stealthy enough to handle the torque being put thru that drive line. These bikes can make enough power especially modified to shear not only rear pulley bolts but front pulley splines and wheel bearings with out proper maintenance and care. A stock bike stands a better chance of survival especially in the hands of a stock bike riding kinda guy. Then there’s those that like to ride these bikes like they stole them. They break more that way like anything else.
    The torque compensator is crude but necessary for a gear driven transmission. It’s simple and it works and many Vic bikes unlike Harley will see100k miles easily.
     
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  3. agusta74

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    Thanks. Yes that is true and has made me think about what I will need to do to put one in an Egli frame... like making sure the swinging arm is strong enough to not flex with the torque and mainly the rear chain sprocket mount.... and I will have to pay special attention to the rear axle adjusters and how they hold the axle in place for the adjustment of the chain.... all good stuff I have got from your comments! :) PLUS heavy gauge spokes in the rear wire wheel.....
     
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    not on there, but I am on some obscure Guzzi single forums. WOW that's a lot of Guzzi's! I have "only" had a early V7, SP1000, 1962 500 Falcone, 1952 500 Superalce, and my current Nuovo Falcone that I have had since 1992.
     
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    Can someone educate me on the reason for the "split gear" in the primary? It is driven from the crank and then has the Torque compensator outboard of it... it comes apart and has four springs in it and yet it looks like both parts of the split gear are firmly geared to the crank gear so then the two sections could not move independently? I am obviously missing something here.... ?? vic gear s-l1600.jpg vic gear s-l1600a.jpg vic gear s-l1600b.jpg
     
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    The split gears exert tooth pressure at all times reducing gear noise.
     
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    Ok, thanks, that kinda makes sense...... it was bugging me that I could not work it out!!
     
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    That split sprung gear seems a bit like an engineering solution to bad engineering in the first place.... the gears should be made to not be able to rattle in the first place.
     
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    Any oil that is JASO MA2 wet clutch is good to go, in Australia they use PENRITE if i remember correctly
     
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    That was not my quote!! I am annoying enough without having to bring up oil or tyres!! :)
     
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    When I get my engine I am going to take a LONG HARD look at that whole primary and look at taking out the torque compensator and the extra none drive part of the split gear. I might decide not to do anything but I will be looking hard.....
     
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    The torque that the Vics put out would be my biggest concern, I'm a fan of the old tube frame Buells. They put out enough torque that they twist the frames in stock configuration .if you added some performance mods it got even worse. Stenzel and now defunct American sport bike made braces for the ,"forgotten",part of the frame as well as one tying the front mount to the engine that limited movement and added a way to distribute the strain.
    I realize they are rubber mounted and move/twist more than the rigid mounted Vics.
    Personally I would keep the TC for now, seems to me there are bigger fish to fry right now. You can always leave the TC until last.
     
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    Yes I agree!
     
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    The only thing I can say to that is if a gear is made to not rattle when machined, it will eventually wear in causing a small gap. This will happen no matter how well a gear is made. The split gear mitigates this by using springs.
     
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    Just add the thin wafer springs as shims. Issue solved and doesn't cost very much. 2013 and up had them.
     
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