[Bujee1]

IMO Dr. Fauci and Dr. Rand Paul are both very intelligent men that know exactly what they are saying. Neither is a quack.

Thank you for your opinion. Let's agree to disagree.

 

[Bujee1]

defies logic that you continue to ignore that this is an emergency vaccine and not approved, and that is a violation of the Nuremberg trials get that through your head!

So, now are you saying that Nuremberg was doing experiments on the Tuskegee Airmen? Just kidding.
But let's say for a second that your post is any way based in fact:
That has no bearing on whether or not a person can refuse the shot if it has a chance of protecting others and still be called a hero.

Imagine firemen doing a risk assessment and refusing to run into a burning building. Would you call that guy a hero?

 

[Bujee1]

No no no do is your government tells you!!!

https://twitter.com/intent/like?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1454407422500610051|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.contractortalk.com/threads/good-twitter-posts.435670/page-62&tweet_id=1454407422500610051

Another post from Twitter? Sorry, I won't even bother to follow that link.

 

[snobnd]

So, now are you saying that Nuremberg was doing experiments on the Tuskegee Airmen? Just kidding.
But let's say for a second that your post is any way based in fact:
That has no bearing on whether or not a person can refuse the shot even if it has a chance of protecting others and still be called a hero.

Imagine firemen doing a risk assessment and refusing to run into a burning building. Would you call that guy a hero?

You should call Amtrak because you're definitely going off the rails, All kidding aside, have you completely lost your mind?

no one should be forced or coerced into taking an experimental vaccination, more than enough information has been provided to you that you just continue to ignore that this has serious side effects for different classes of people, more than enough information has been provided again that you ignore, that you can survive it with the proper medication.

based upon the vaccination is experimental and that the CDC lied and Dr. Fauci lied and the government is lying gives more pause to why people are hesitant to take some thing if it's not going to prevent getting Covid?

We are not talking about firemen running into a burning building…. The fact that they ran into burning buildings and saved people gives them that hero status and it is not something you can take away because they won't take an experimental vaccination!

Let me give you this scenario and see if you can answer it honestly no games no tricks…. your wife doesn't want the kids to be vaccinated but you demean and berate her every day until she acquiesce, within two days of the vaccination both of your kids die for unknown reasons, the doctor strongly believes that blood clots developed in their blood from the vaccination but he can't go on record stating that because he would lose his ability to practice but he confides in both of you that that's what he believes caused the death .

What do you say to your wife and her family?

 

[Bujee1]

You should call Amtrak because you're definitely going off the rails, All kidding aside, have you completely lost your mind?

no one should be forced or coerced into taking an experimental vaccination, more than enough information has been provided to you that you just continue to ignore that this has serious side effects for different classes of people, more than enough information has been provided again that you ignore, that you can survive it with the proper medication.

based upon the vaccination is experimental and that the CDC lied and Dr. Fauci lied and the government is lying gives more pause to why people are hesitant to take some thing if it's not going to prevent getting Covid?

We are not talking about firemen running into a burning building…. The fact that they ran into burning buildings and saved people gives them that hero status and it is not something you can take away because they won't take an experimental vaccination!

Let me give you this scenario and see if you can answer it honestly no games no tracks…. your wife doesn't want the kids to be vaccinated but you demean and berate her every day until she acquiesce, within two days of the vaccination both of your kids die for unknown reasons, the doctor strongly believes that blood clots developed in their blood from the vaccination but he can't go on record stating that because he would lose his ability to practice but he confides in both of you that that's what he believes caused the death .

What do you say to your wife and her family?

Just because you call it information doesn't mean it is. Particularly when your source, if presented, is questionable at best. Speaking of questionable source, here is the graph you posted:

But to your question:
I say what happened to you was a once in a million event and I am sorry for your loss.

Now, your turn. What do you say to the 92,000 families that lost a loved one over the summer who was unvaccinated because they fell for misinformation?

 

[jwfuchs1]

There are tons of documentation to support the increased risk involved in not being fully vaccinated from a disease that can be contagious without symptoms. The risk is higher for the individual and everyone they come in contact with. Some of the people they take care are already immuno-compromised, or have pre existing conditions. How fair is it to come to the hospital with an Asthma attack and leave with COVID-19 because the person who took care of you refused to get the shot? Our core tenet is "Do no harm" and infecting someone flies in the face of that.

The Covid shot does not prevent you from getting Covid. It also does not prevent you from spreading Covid. It is supposed to lessen your symptoms. With that being said. What if it lowers enough to where you don't know you're sick? Now you're spreading the virus just like an unvaccinated person that is asymptomatic.

There is a greater chance of me having to take care of you if you don't get the vaccine.

I already got Covid and survived. It did leave me with pneumonia and hurt my wallet. I also took an antibody treatment. With the antibody treatment they advise you to not get the shot within 90 days of the treatment. Haven't looked to much into why because I don't plan on getting the shot. I read an article from Australia that states you shouldn't get a jab within 6 months of getting a covid treatment. A big difference there.

But yes, in the off chance that you and your girlfriend get a legitimate vaccine side effect that requires my care, I will do it. And if you can prove that she is debilitated from getting the vaccine, I will pay her student loans.
That's how sure I am of the safety and efficacy of these vaccines.

I do appreciate you making that offer. Nothing against you but I'm not gonna hold my breathe because we don't know the long term effects of the vaccine. Also there has been concerns with pregnancy troubles due to the vaccine. One article states there has been an increase of stillborn babies. We want kids in the future and for sure don't want any complications.

If a true covid vaccine (prevents it all together) comes out I will be more than willing to get the injection.

 

[snobnd]

This is taken from the Nuremberg trial!

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.
   
   The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results justify the performance of the experiment.
4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death.
8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

 

[Bujee1]

Maybe not the airmen as they were College Boys... But studies did happen as well as radiation experiments...

Just like on prisoners and did the same

Ethical Considerations for COVID-19 Vaccine Trials in Correctional Facilities

Now we are considered the ones for forced injections and still no list of side effects...

Ok. Good on you for posting a legitimate link. But perhaps you should have read it? It says that there were no trials in prisons in the US. So, relevancy?

 

[Bujee1]

The Covid shot does not prevent you from getting Covid. It also does not prevent you from spreading Covid. It is supposed to lessen your symptoms. With that being said. What if it lowers enough to where you don't know you're sick? Now you're spreading the virus just like an unvaccinated person that is asymptomatic.

I already got Covid and survived. It did leave me with pneumonia and hurt my wallet. I also took an antibody treatment. With the antibody treatment they advise you to not get the shot within 90 days of the treatment. Haven't looked to much into why because I don't plan on getting the shot. I read an article from Australia that states you shouldn't get a jab within 6 months of getting a covid treatment. A big difference there.

I do appreciate you making that offer. Nothing against you but I'm not gonna hold my breathe because we don't know the long term effects of the vaccine. Also there has been concerns with pregnancy troubles due to the vaccine. One article states there has been an increase of stillborn babies. We want kids in the future and for sure don't want any complications.

If a true covid vaccine (prevents it all together) comes out I will be more than willing to get the injection.

This is the best we've got. The risk is higher in pregnancy for women for having ill effects on them and the baby with Covid-19 than from getting the vaccine. Again, nothing is 100%. Good on you for beating it. Can we say the same for anyone that came in contact with you?
Also be careful when your only source is "One Article". Always suspect the source. Here is another article: Pregnant nurse with baby die of COVID after refusing vaccine

I can produce more articles in support of my assertion. Can you?

 

[Bujee1]

This is taken from the Nuremberg trial!

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.
   
   The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results justify the performance of the experiment.
4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death.
8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

Only because you said so? C'mon, we've been over this.

 

[VicVisionBulldog]

The Covid shot does not prevent you from getting Covid. It also does not prevent you from spreading Covid. It is supposed to lessen your symptoms. With that being said. What if it lowers enough to where you don't know you're sick? Now you're spreading the virus just like an unvaccinated person that is asymptomatic.

I have that same thought. The time I got tested I barely knew I had it. I only got tested because the wife did and was positive. If she didn't I doubt I would have noticed and would have probably been going through life as I normally do.

My only real symptom was a loss in smell for a few days. I would have thought I would notice not having smell but I really didn't. After I got the positive test I recalled that two nights before I was laying in bed watching TV and my bulldog was BLOWING it up. I remember thinking, "wow, those don't smell." Didn't think anymore about it and went to sleep. Turns out I had covid and the loss of smell was a good thing that night.

 

[Bujee1]

I have that same thought. The time I got tested I barely knew I had it. I only got tested because the wife did and was positive. If she didn't I doubt I would have noticed and would have probably been going through life as I normally do.

My only real symptom was a loss in smell for a few days. I would have thought I would notice not having smell but I really didn't. After I got the positive test I recalled that two nights before I was laying in bed watching TV and my bulldog was BLOWING it up. I remember thinking, "wow, those don't smell." Didn't think anymore about it and went to sleep. Turns out I had covid and the loss of smell was a good thing that night.

Again, my concern is for the many people you came in contact with not wearing a mask. Why aren't you concerned?

 

[jwfuchs1]

This is the best we've got. The risk is higher in pregnancy for women for having ill effects on them and the baby with Covid-19 than from getting the vaccine. Again, nothing is 100%. Good on you for beating it. Can we say the same for anyone that came in contact with you?
Also be careful when your only source is "One Article". Always suspect the source.

I only left my house to go to the ER. I wore my mask the whole time. I do have to say I gave it to my fiance, because she lives with me. The only other time we went into public was to get our prescriptions and we used the pharmacy drive-thru.

We did put the Nurses and Doctors at risk, but so does everyone else that goes to them infected with Covid (vaccinated/unvaccinated).

IF THE COIVD SHOT ACTUALLY PREVENTED THE VIRUS THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. HOWEVER, THE SHOT DOESN'T PREVENT YOU FROM GETTTING THE VIRUS.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This the problem plain and simple. Vaccinated people can keep lying to themselves but they aren't doing anything for the general public besides being a guinea pig for the covid shot.

 

[jwfuchs1]

Again, my concern is for the many people you came in contact with not wearing a mask. Why aren't you concerned?

Do you wear a mask? Just cause you're vaccinated doesn't mean you can't spread the virus. Come on man, you know that's true.

 

[snobnd]

Only because you said so? C'mon, we've been over this.

so I will take that as you agree it is illegal and unethical to demand someone take an experimental vaccine!

 

[snobnd]

Just because you call it information doesn't mean it is. Particularly when your source, if presented, is questionable at best. Speaking of questionable source, here is the graph you posted:

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But to your question:
I say what happened to you was a once in a million event and I am sorry for your loss.

Now, your turn. What do you say to the 92,000 families that lost a loved one over the summer who was unvaccinated because they fell for misinformation?

I would probably say something more compassionate than you did to your family for killing your two children with an untested unproven vaccination, I'm not sure where you got your number since you didn't provide a link did they die from Covid or with Covid?

If you're vaccinated then you're protected right?

 

[VicVisionBulldog]

People's health is not my responsibility. That is not the job I signed up for. Taking a bullet and taking a shot is very different. I am not a doctor, nurse, paramedic, or even a health inspector.

I don't look to others to protect me so why should they look to me to protect them.....when it comes to medical issues. Again this goes back to not just covid but all matters of health in life. People kill themselves a little each day with the way they simply live but now it is everyone else's responsibility to keep them healthy. So am I to start taking fat people's burger and fries? Slapping cigarettes out of people's mouth? Again, that is not my job. Those people have the freedom to do as they please and so should I.

If you want to wear a mask and gloves go for it. I don't care. The majority of the people doing it though do it incorrectly and constantly cross contaminate things. My favorite so far was a lady reading a community in a lobby with her mask on. As she goes to turn the page she pulls down her mask and licks her finger to turn the page. She did this a few times. Just one of many I have seen.

The truth is the vaccine doesn't actually work to prevent covid. It merely....maybe....might....reduce symptoms.....do nothing......or give you major complications.....even death.

 

[VicVisionBulldog]

I do have to say I gave it to my fiance, because she lives with me.

My wife gave it to me. We knew she had it but I was not about to ask her to stay away from me. I slept with her all cuddled up like usual.

 

[Blowndodge]

dares be lotsba redba exbas fromba da leftba...

 

[VicVisionBulldog]

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