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I like this banks idea. I am not sure of the legality of this because it violates the Federal Laws that banks fall under but where are you typically going to get mugged? Either entering or leaving the bank.

Enlightened banking and believers in the Second Amendment.Chappell Hill is a small town between Houston and Brenham on Hwy 290.
Bank encourages second amendment


By ARTHUR HAHN/Managing Editor
Thursday, August 19, 2010
CHAPPELL HILL - Any would-be robbers looking to walk into the bank here had best think twice. There's a new sign in town.About a month ago, Chappell Hill Bank president Edward Smith looked at a sign on the front door prohibiting concealed weapons from his business and decided to make a policy change. Licensed to carry a handgun? Come on in, and bring your weapon.

The sign, now prominently displayed on the bank's front door, says: "Lawful concealed carry permitted on these premises. Management recognizes the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution as an inalienable right of all citizens. We therefore support and encourage the carrying of licensed concealed weapons."
Smith said he made the policy change to send a warning to potential robbers, and also to express support to Americans' right to bear arms. "We had the sign on the window, the red circle with the pistol inside and a line through it." And I started thinking, "We've got this no gun sign up and the guy (robber) can come in and do what he wants. But if you've got a policy allowing handguns, he won't know how many people are going to be in here carrying a concealed weapon. There may be some little old lady who's mad at the government, and she'd love to use it." he said.
The bank has been robbed twice in the last three years, including last March when a Western-attired man walked in, ordered bank employees to fill a canvas bag with money and then fled in a pickup truck. The man, who did not brandish a weapon, has not been caught.The sign has made Chappell Hill Bank and Smith somewhat of an Internet sensation.
A photo of the sign has made its way around the world, and Smith has even been interviewed for the National Rifle Association's radio networkHe's also been contacted by other media outlets wanting to do stories.
"It's kind of gotten a life of its own," he said.
Expressions of support have far outnumbered criticism.
Smith been contacted by officials from larger banks considering to take similar action, and has received e-mails in support from across the United States and even from England, Canada, and Germany.
"I haven't gotten any from Chicago or California, which doesn't surprise me," Smith said with a laugh. "We did get a real nice e-mail from an 88-year-old World War II veteran who said it's about time somebody stood up in this country."The NRA has even invited him to speak at an upcoming convention, but Smith said, "I'm still deciding on that."Smith said he's only received one negative e-mail, from an anonymous sender.
The policy change has also brought Chappell Hill Bank a handful of new customers and comments from people outside Washington County that they'd bank there if they lived here, said Smith.
"I tell them that we're a full-service bank and we're on the Internet. They can bank online," he said.
 

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I think it's great and I don't think there is any Federal law or regulation that prevents legal concealed carry in banks, even though crimes committed in banks are covered under federal law because the FDIC insures the deposits.

CCW laws are the state's responsibility and the only Federal override is in Federal buildings, which banks are not.
 

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I know of no federal law prohibiting guns in any way at banks.

Texas does not have any law prohibiting guns at banks.

A matter of fact I just pulled up the Texas laws online and searched for "bank" and did not get a hit.

I find it very interesting in Texas that many banks have the Red Circle with a Red Slash over a gun displayed at the door but no other information. This symbol tells two groups different stories.

To the people that do not want guns in the bank, the no guns sign, tells them that there are no guns in the bank. To the CHL holders it says "This is not a legal notice since it not a proper sign as stated in the law. Come on in and bring your gun!"
 

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I stand corrected. I was looking at my condensed version of the Florida permit and it just listed banks with all the federal properties so I assumed that was why... But in further looking I see now on the current website that banks have come off the list in Florida... So I guess I am no longer in violation...
 

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Yep....businesses have the right to post the the proper signage if they want to keep CHL or CCW carriers out. Hell...the owner (from somewhere up north) of one of our local malls here in the Houston area is so against guns...he posted the signs restricting CHL holders from carrying in the entire mall. Needles to say,,,I don't shop there anymore. Dang shame.
 

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Yep....businesses have the right to post the the proper signage if they want to keep CHL or CCW carriers out. Hell...the owner (from somewhere up north) of one of our local malls here in the Houston area is so against guns...he posted the signs restricting CHL holders from carrying in the entire mall. Needles to say,,,I don't shop there anymore. Dang shame.
Hmm, as I understand the law here in Florida they have a right to post that sign but that means absolutely nothing to someone with a legal CCW permit.

Follow me here, by definition I'm carrying a CONCEALED weapon, that means they have no idea I have it on my person. Since they have no right to search me how would they ever know if I was carrying or not?

I can and do carry everywhere state and federal law allows me to. I ignore private signs as they have no "legal" binding. The worst that could happen is IF somehow they determined I was carrying they could ask me to leave and since it's private property I would.

The one that gets me the most is the "no loaded firearms" signs outside gun shops. Sure, if I'm taking a gun in for them to look at it's unloaded but that "other" gun hidden on my person remains loaded and concealed.
 

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mjw930 said:
NOEMTZ said:
Yep....businesses have the right to post the the proper signage if they want to keep CHL or CCW carriers out. Hell...the owner (from somewhere up north) of one of our local malls here in the Houston area is so against guns...he posted the signs restricting CHL holders from carrying in the entire mall. Needles to say,,,I don't shop there anymore. Dang shame.
Hmm, as I understand the law here in Florida they have a right to post that sign but that means absolutely nothing to someone with a legal CCW permit.

Follow me here, by definition I'm carrying a CONCEALED weapon, that means they have no idea I have it on my person. Since they have no right to search me how would they ever know if I was carrying or not?

I can and do carry everywhere state and federal law allows me to. I ignore private signs as they have no "legal" binding. The worst that could happen is IF somehow they determined I was carrying they could ask me to leave and since it's private property I would.

The one that gets me the most is the "no loaded firearms" signs outside gun shops. Sure, if I'm taking a gun in for them to look at it's unloaded but that "other" gun hidden on my person remains loaded and concealed.
Here is a great video on where you can carry and cant carry a weapon in Florida... MJW go to 8:20....lol
 

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mjw930 said:
NOEMTZ said:
Yep....businesses have the right to post the the proper signage if they want to keep CHL or CCW carriers out. Hell...the owner (from somewhere up north) of one of our local malls here in the Houston area is so against guns...he posted the signs restricting CHL holders from carrying in the entire mall. Needles to say,,,I don't shop there anymore. Dang shame.
Hmm, as I understand the law here in Florida they have a right to post that sign but that means absolutely nothing to someone with a legal CCW permit.

Follow me here, by definition I'm carrying a CONCEALED weapon, that means they have no idea I have it on my person. Since they have no right to search me how would they ever know if I was carrying or not?

I can and do carry everywhere state and federal law allows me to. I ignore private signs as they have no "legal" binding. The worst that could happen is IF somehow they determined I was carrying they could ask me to leave and since it's private property I would.

The one that gets me the most is the "no loaded firearms" signs outside gun shops. Sure, if I'm taking a gun in for them to look at it's unloaded but that "other" gun hidden on my person remains loaded and concealed.
Here is a great video on where you can carry and cant carry a weapon in Florida... MJW go to 8:20....lol
LOL, I guess I was paying attention. Great video.
 

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advntrus said:
mjw930 said:
NOEMTZ said:
Yep....businesses have the right to post the the proper signage if they want to keep CHL or CCW carriers out. Hell...the owner (from somewhere up north) of one of our local malls here in the Houston area is so against guns...he posted the signs restricting CHL holders from carrying in the entire mall. Needles to say,,,I don't shop there anymore. Dang shame.
Hmm, as I understand the law here in Florida they have a right to post that sign but that means absolutely nothing to someone with a legal CCW permit.

Follow me here, by definition I'm carrying a CONCEALED weapon, that means they have no idea I have it on my person. Since they have no right to search me how would they ever know if I was carrying or not?

I can and do carry everywhere state and federal law allows me to. I ignore private signs as they have no "legal" binding. The worst that could happen is IF somehow they determined I was carrying they could ask me to leave and since it's private property I would.

The one that gets me the most is the "no loaded firearms" signs outside gun shops. Sure, if I'm taking a gun in for them to look at it's unloaded but that "other" gun hidden on my person remains loaded and concealed.
I'm guessing that if you shoot someone, that might tip them off.
Shawn
If I find the need to shoot someone in a place of business with one of those


signs it's more than likely the store / property owner will be glad I was carrying and was able to stop the carnage.

Personally, I won't draw to stop a robbery unless that robber is putting my life or others in danger. Even then, it's a judgment call. If it's likely the robber will not cause bodily harm I won't draw, if my actions could get innocent people hurt I won't draw. If, however, the person has already started shooting, as has happened in more than one place of business / mall in the last few years then I'm going to take whatever measures I can to stop the carnage.

I'm not stupid, I know my limitations and although my father-in-law, who is a retired NY state trooper and currently has a federal CCW as part of homeland security (allows him to carry everywhere, even airports) has schooled me in combat tactics I have never fired a shot in anger so I will not try ro be a hero, I have no idea how well I'll be able to perform under pressure regardless the amount of "training" I've received. I will, however, do whatever it takes to protect me and my family.
 

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mjw930 said:
I'm not stupid, I know my limitations and although my father-in-law, who is a retired NY state trooper and currently has a federal CCW as part of homeland security (allows him to carry everywhere, even airports) has schooled me in combat tactics I have never fired a shot in anger so I will not try ro be a hero, I have no idea how well I'll be able to perform under pressure regardless the amount of "training" I've received. I will, however, do whatever it takes to protect me and my family.
All the training in the world will not prepare you for the first time you pull the trigger. It is a very difficult thing to do and stays with you your whole life. I hope no one here ever has to go through that.
 

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dsjr70 said:
mjw930 said:
I'm not stupid, I know my limitations and although my father-in-law, who is a retired NY state trooper and currently has a federal CCW as part of homeland security (allows him to carry everywhere, even airports) has schooled me in combat tactics I have never fired a shot in anger so I will not try ro be a hero, I have no idea how well I'll be able to perform under pressure regardless the amount of "training" I've received. I will, however, do whatever it takes to protect me and my family.
All the training in the world will not prepare you for the first time you pull the trigger. It is a very difficult thing to do and stays with you your whole life. I hope no one here ever has to go through that.
Agreed!
 

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A verysurprising thing happened during the early 80s in Miami, FL(at least it surprised me, cuz I was young and dumb).
After the Mariel Boat Lift, Miami became the Murder capitol of the US for a few years.Then one of the Florida Legislative types reminded evryone that you could openly carry (not conceal) a firearm as part of an old state law, violent Crime dropped like a rock.
I'm not sure if it was actual legal to openly carry within the city Limits, but tons of people did so.
Oddly, when a criminal has to hide his weapon because a police may see him with it, and a citizen has his/her weapon close at hand and ready to draw, the temptation to do harm drops considerably,,,
,,,funny how that works,,,
 

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Open carry law in FL is confusing at best. For example, you can open carry during and on your way to and from fishing but if your way too fishing means a stop at the bait shop you can only open carry from the bait shop to the fishing spot.

There's a local group that's pushing to rationalize the open carry laws but I suspect nothing will change in the near term.

Florida Open Carry aims for change in gun laws
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Sean Caranna, founder of Florida Open Carry, fishes Saturday - one of few places people may carry unconcealed guns. N-J photo
PORT ORANGE -- Sean Caranna didn't pull his .40-caliber pistol while he fished Saturday morning at Dunlawton Causeway Park.
Nearby, Karl Brown didn't draw the 9mm strapped to his waist. Kevin Green didn't even touch his .357 revolver, holstered on his right hip.
But all three men, proud gun owners and members of the grass-roots organization Florida Open Carry, were openly armed at the pier at 9 a.m., part of their campaign to restore the right to carry an unconcealed firearm anytime in Florida.
"If you don't fight for the rights you got, you lose 'em all," Brown, a Deltona gun owner, said before he started fishing.
The fishing pier represents one of the few places people may carry unconcealed firearms in Florida, where state law essentially prohibits open carrying. The law has a few exceptions, including an allowance for people who are target shooting, hunting, fishing or camping (or traveling to or from one of those activities) to openly carry a gun.
"It's pretty much been interpreted as directly to and from," Caranna said. "If you make a stop at Walmart on the way to pick up bait, well, you're not fishing."
Thus you'd be breaking the law with a gun on your hip. But Caranna, the organization's founder and a former Army infantryman, contends that limit (similar laws are on the books in Texas and Illinois) infringes on his constitutional right to bear arms.
A Florida concealed carry permit costs $112 plus the cost of fingerprinting, which Caranna equates to a sort of poll tax -- a fee to exercise a guaranteed right.
Saturday's fishing event was a small Independence Day weekend celebration, with the three men on one pier and a few others who Caranna said showed up later at another pier nearby. Two Port Orange police officers stationed themselves in the parking lot -- Caranna requested them -- in case an alarmed passer-by called 911 to report there were gunmen fishing. One officer politely declined to comment on the open carry issue.
Brown, who said his wife recently was mugged in an Orlando mall parking lot, said the seconds it takes to retrieve and aim a concealed firearm can be costly during a confrontation with an attacker, and "in this county, you can get a pizza delivered faster than 9-1-1 response."
The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence has opposed open-carry movements across the U.S. and recently opened a petition to demand coffee giant Starbucks ban guns in all its shops.
The campaign's website describes open carrying as "inherently threatening and intimidating," especially in retail stores where other customers see a gun and call police, "creating a volatile and potentially dangerous situation."
Caranna said absent gun permits, background checks during the firearm purchasing process keep criminals and people who have been deemed mentally incompetent from owning guns.
"Today we got lucky. Today we got to carry a cop," Caranna said, nodding toward the officers. When they're not at your side, he said, "you take the wrong turn down the wrong street, you're going to be real inadequate."
 

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Since we are talking about open carry now. This was an interesting article that was emailed to me awhile back. It has been verified true by a few sources including the Kennesaw news paper.
Matt Brannan and J.P. Mitchell were dining in the Wafflehouse on Barrett Parkway at I-575 in Kennesaw at 4:45 in the morning recently when a scout for an armed robbery crew entered the restaurant to case it. At the time, Matt and J.P. thought he looked a little suspicious, as he was wandering around the small restaurant like he was looking for someone. Unknown to Matt and J.P., two cars full of armed robbers were parked behind the restaurant waiting for the scout's report.
The scout saw that two of the customers were wearing holstered 1911 Springfield Mil-Spec .45 pistols, and he immediately turned and left the store.
Meanwhile, conscientious Cobb County Police Officer D. Lowe had noticed suspicious cars sitting behind the restaurant in the dark and decided to investigate. He caught men with masks and rifles who had been preparing to rob the Wafflehouse. The criminals informed the police that they had changed their mind upon discovering armed customers and were waiting for Matt and J.P. to leave.
 
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