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  1. satxron

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    So now he is arrested like my question. I can't go get the truck without insurance from the impound lot but can't show them insurance because I don't have to do that or don't have it. I can't pay them if they illegally towed the truck. This has no good ending. Now he has 3 tickets and no vehicle.

    I promise he was not found "not guilty" in traffic court. So then what?
     
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    Sovereign citizens involved in armed standoff sue Mass. State Police

    Sovereign citizens involved in armed standoff sue Mass. State Police
    Several Rise of the Moors members are seeking $70 million in damages and claim that Massachusetts courts have no jurisdiction over the case

    Today at 8:08 AM

    By Michelle Williams
    masslive.com

    WAKEFIELD, Mass. — Several members of Rise of the Moors, the group involved an hours-long armed standoff with Massachusetts State Police that shutdown an interstate over Fourth of July weekend, filed a lawsuit seeking a change in court venue and $70 million in damages.

    The men were traveling along Interstate 95 when a Massachusetts State Police trooper came across the group refueling their vehicles around 1:30 a.m. on Saturday, July 3.

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    Police work on in the area of an hours long standoff with a group of armed men that partially shut down interstate 95, Saturday, July 3, 2021, in Wakefield, Mass. (AP Photo/Michael Dwyer)
    The occupants of the vehicle were dressed in military-style tactical gear. Some had long rifles, some pistols and “some had a combination of both,” Massachusetts State Police Colonel Christopher Mason said.

    The trooper asked members of the group to produce licenses for the firearms and members of the group indicated they weren’t licensed or didn’t have copies of licenses on them.

    The trooper requested backup. An hours-long standoff followed between the men — some of whom remained by their vehicles, others who went into a nearby wooded area in Wakefield — that shut down both sides of the interstate and led police to issue a warning for nearby residents.

    The situation was resolved “through negotiation and tactical maneuvers,” Mason said of nine members — including one minor — being taken into custody.

    The men were all charged with unlawful possession of a firearm, eight counts; unlawful possession of ammunition; use of body armor in the commission of a crime; possession of a high capacity magazine; improper storage of firearms in a vehicle; and conspiracy to commit a crime.

    In addition to the other charges, four were charged with furnishing a false name to police.

    Jamhal Tavon Sanders Latimer, also known as Jamhal Talib Abdullah Bey, is among the members who are named in the lawsuit. The self-identified leader of the group spoke on their behalf during livestreamed videos posted to social media during the standoff.

    The federal lawsuit alleges the members were subjected to “defamation, discrimination of national origin and deprivation of their rights under the color of law” and seek $70 million in damages.

    The lawsuit claims the members are not citizens of the United States and the Massachusetts court where they were arraigned does not have jurisdiction. The lawsuit seeks the case to be “litigated in international court, consular court, or federal court with consul’s (sic) present.”

    [READ:What cops need to know about sovereign citizen encounters]

    Rise of the Moors is based in Rhode Island, where several members arrested reside. Other listed addresses include New York and one member from Michigan.

    This argument was made by members during their arraignments, including multiple members who declined to provide their names to authorities.

    The unidentified defendant — known during his arraignment as John Doe 2 — said during his arraignment he “waived no rights” and reserved “all rights” even as he said he wanted to refuse the assistance of a public defender — which Judge Emily Karstetter took to mean he was waiving his constitutional right to an attorney.

    Karstetter was named in the lawsuit, along with multiple members of the Massachusetts State Police. Several media outlets were named in the lawsuit, including: CBS News, NBCUniversal and Viacom.

    Rise of the Moors is a group of individuals who identify as Moorish Americans.

    “The Moorish sovereign citizen movement is a collection of independent organizations and lone individuals that emerged in the early 1990s as an offshoot of the anti-government sovereign citizens movement, which believes that individual citizens hold sovereignty over, and are independent of, the authority of federal and state governments,” the Southern Poverty Law Center says of the movement. “Moorish sovereigns espouse an interpretation of sovereign doctrine that African Americans constitute an elite class within American society with special rights and privileges that convey on them a sovereign immunity placing them beyond federal and state authority.”

    The Southern Poverty Law Center says Moorish Sovereign Citizens have come into conflict with federal and state authorities over their refusal to obey laws and government regulations. “Recently, Moorish sovereign citizens have engaged in violent confrontations with law enforcement. They have also been known to retaliate against government authorities through financial means — a process called ‘paper terrorism.’”

    The Rise of the Moors filed multiple lawsuits against Providence Police in 2019 claiming their right to bear arms and right to assemble were violated.

    They accused police of interrupting a lecture the organization was hosting, which was being livestreamed. According to the lawsuit, Bay was teaching the class while armed with a Glock 22 and a semi-automatic weapon, the Providence Journal reported in 2019.

    During the recorded lecture, he read from the Koran and spoke of the group’s right to bear arms. “We’re teaching our people not to be criminals,” Bey said.

    The group was identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center in 2020 as an anti-government group. It is not considered a hate group.

    Although there are similar groups across the country, Rise of the Moors are specific to New England.

    The group disputed that they are “anti-government” both in recorded statements and conversations with police.

    “We’re not anti-government, we’re not anti-police, we’re not sovereign citizens, we’re not Black-identity extremists,” Bey said during a livestreamed video posted to YouTube during the standoff.

    [READ: 9 things to prepare for when encountering sovereign citizens]

    The group was traveling from Rhode Island to Maine to train on “private land,” the group told police. In one of the videos recorded during the standoff with police, Bey said the vehicles contain camping equipment.

    A significant cache of weapons and ammunition as well as ballistic armor, binoculars and night vision goggles were found in their vehicles, court records show.

    A gun owner is allowed to transport weapons under specific conditions. For a loaded or unloaded handgun, it may be on a person or in a vehicle if under “direct control.”

    Large-capacity rifles and shotguns must be transported unloaded and in a locked case, locked trunk or other secure container, according to state regulations.

    State law considers a large-capacity firearm to be any of the following: semi-automatic handgun or rifle that is capable of accepting more than ten rounds, a semi-automatic shotgun capable of accepting more than five shotgun shells or an assault weapon.

    A rifle with a fixed tubular magazine designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber ammunition is not classified as a large-capacity firearm.

    A person can carry a loaded or unloaded rifle or shotgun upon or across a public way if they are engaged in hunting and hold a valid hunting license.

    Non-residents do not need a firearms license to transport their firearms in or through the commonwealth, provided the firearms are unloaded and enclosed in a case while traveling.

    “You can imagine 11 armed individuals standing with long guns slung on an interstate highway at two in the morning certainly raises concerns and is not consistent with the firearms laws we have in Massachusetts,” Mason said.

    ©2021 Advance Local Media LLC. Visit masslive.com. Distributed by Tribune Content Agency, LLC.

    McClatchy-Tribune News Service
     
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    Hopefully the judge will deal correctly with these _____!
     
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    Never going to happen. They're going to go into court and spout some magic words that will set them free.
     
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    In capital letters or lower case?
     
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    All good info but we didn’t abandon the gold standard until August of 1971 during “Tricky Dick’s” administration.
     
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    I haven’t been to this thread in a couple days. Where did the legal eagle scorpion guy go?
     
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    Probably went to court.
     
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    I dOn'T KnOw. :confused: I WaS tRaiNed tO WrItE iN bLoCK lETteRs wItH eVeRyThiNg iN cApS.
     
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  10. ReigningScorpios

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    Isn't it easier , instead of going SOO FAR OFF TRACK, to just admit you have no argument at all.
     
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    How were you taught ?
    All caps ?
    All lower .
    Or proper ?
    Let me guess, you wont answer.
     
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    Been working out of town.
     
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    They didn’t have internet there?
     
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    Working long hours takes time away from people who cant tell me what the Declaration of Independence says their only duty to be an American is.
    Which will prove that starting this thread was the right thing to do (when taken seriously), and ruining this thread is done by the Fascist, Communistic anti-Americans.
    Whoever would like to answer the question is welcome to. Chattanoogapoopchute doesnt have the capacity and her friends wont give her the answer.
     
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    Sheesh. Calm down and don’t take yourself so seriously.
     

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