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    I leave this thread alone and I come back and it's 5 more pages of ReigningScorpios quoting and arguing with themselves.

    Slow motion trainwreck.

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    RS hasn't learned to stop arguing with some of the "experts" here. I learned quickly to avoid and block all the "I know everything and you don't" bozos. He'll learn...
     
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    SOVEREIGN CITIZENS MOVEMENT

    Sovereign citizens believe that they – not judges, juries, law enforcement or elected officials – should decide which laws to obey and which to ignore. Most sovereign citizens also don’t believe they should have to pay taxes. They clog up the courts with indecipherable filings and, when cornered, many of them lash out, retaliating through acts of paper terrorism and, in the most extreme cases, acts of deadly violence – usually directed against government officials. In May 2010, for example, a father-son team of sovereigns murdered two police officers with an assault rifle when they were pulled over on the interstate while traveling through West Memphis, Arkansas.

    The roots of the movement are racist and antisemitic. It was founded by William Potter Gale, former member of the John Birch Society. Potter formed a group of antigovernment Christian Identity adherents who mistrusted state and federal officials. They believed that non-white people were not human, and that Jews possessed a satanic plot to take over the world. They identified themselves as Posse Comitatus, which is Latin for “power of the county” and centered around the idea that county sheriffs are the highest governmental authority.

    Posse Comitatus is based on the Sheriffs Act of 1887, which allowed sheriffs to form a posse that would assist them in hunting down and arresting criminals. Potter’s posse believed they served under common law (laws based on their interpretation of the Bible), rather than civil law (legitimate laws formed by the American legal system).

    The activities of Potter’s Posse, many of them crimes, included a refusal to pay taxes, filing property liens and committing violence against public officials. These actions, which were established by Gale’s group, have become customary in today’s sovereign citizens movement. What has changed since the movement’s inception is the white supremacist ideology that initially dominated it. Contemporary sovereign citizens hold varying racial ideologies and include a variety of people, most commonly white and African American.

    The Sovereign belief system
    The contemporary sovereign belief system is based on a decades-old conspiracy theory. Sovereigns believe that the American government set up by the founding fathers, under a common-law legal system, was secretly replaced. They think the replacement government swapped common law for admiralty law, which is the law of the sea and international commerce.

    Some sovereigns believe this perfidious change occurred during the Civil War, while others blame the events of 1933, when the U.S. abandoned the gold standard. Either way, they stake their lives and livelihoods on the idea that U.S. judges and lawyers, who they believe are foreign agents, know about this hidden government takeover but argue against it, denying the sovereigns’ motions and filings out of treasonous loyalty to hidden and malevolent government forces.

    Most sovereign citizens base their actions on a bogus U.S. history lesson, which goes as follows: Since 1933, the U.S. dollar has been backed not by gold, but by the “full faith and credit” of the U.S. government. (In fact, President Franklin D. Roosevelt ended private ownership of gold in large amounts in 1933; Governments could still sell gold for dollars to the U.S. Treasury for a fixed amount after that, until that practice was ended by President Richard Nixon in 1971).)

    According to sovereign citizen researchers, the government has pledged its citizenry as collateral, by selling their future earning capabilities to foreign investors, effectively enslaving all Americans. This sale, they claim, takes place at birth. When a baby is born in the U.S., a birth certificate is issued, and the hospital usually requires the parents to apply for a Social Security number. Sovereigns say that the government then uses that birth certificate to set up a corporate trust in the baby’s name – a secret Treasury account – which it funds with amounts ranging from $600,000 to $20 million, depending on the particular variant of the sovereign belief system. By setting up this Treasury Direct Account (TDA), every newborn’s rights are split between those held by the flesh-and-blood baby and the ones assigned to his or her corporate shell account.

    Sovereigns citizens believe the evidence for their theory is found on the birth certificate itself. Since most certificates use all capital letters to spell out a baby’s name, JOHN DOE, for example, is actually the name of the corporate shell identity, also called a “straw man,” while John Doe is the baby’s “real,” flesh-and-blood name. As the child grows older, most of his legal documents will utilize capital letters, which means that his state-issued driver's license, his marriage license, his car registration, his criminal court records, his cable TV bill and his correspondence from the IRS all will pertain to his corporate shell identity, not his real, sovereign identity.

    To separate from their corporate shell, sovereign citizens use a series of convoluted steps, often shared with them by more veteran sovereigns. This can include actions such as filing documentation with their secretary of state’s office declaring themselves sovereign, signing it with red blood or ink thumbprints, then having their new sovereign identity published in the newspaper.

    To tap into the secret Treasury account, they believe exists they file a series of complex, legal-sounding documents. For decades, sovereigns have attempted to perfect the process by packaging and promoting different combinations of forms and paperwork. The only touted success stories are from sovereigns who were in fact committing fraud against the government or private companies by creating counterfeit or fraudulent and fictitious documents. These sovereigns are prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

    Numbers
    It is impossible to know how many sovereigns there are in the U.S. today, in part because there is no central leadership. Instead, there are a variety of nationwide gurus and local leaders with individualized views on sovereign citizen ideology and techniques. Their recommendations often include tax evasion, adverse possession (squatting on a property that does not belong to them) or ignoring laws regarding drivers licenses, vehicle registration or license plate possession. They base these activities on their belief that free men and women, as they call themselves, are not bound by the laws in question. Sovereigns assert they are traveling, not driving, since they are not transporting commercial goods or paying passengers. Those who are attracted to this subculture typically attend a seminar or two or visit one of the thousands of websites and online videos on the subject and choose how to act on what they have learned.

    Since the late 1990s, an abundance of evidence suggests that the sovereign citizen movement’s growth has been explosive, although there have been no more recent IRS estimates because Congress in 1998 prohibited the agency from tracking or labeling those who file frivolous arguments in lieu of paying their taxes. But a conservative estimate of the number of all kinds of tax protesters today would be about 500,000.

    Using this number and information derived from trials of tax protesters and reports from government agencies, a reasonable estimate of hardcore sovereign believers in early 2011 would be 100,000, with another 200,000 just starting out by testing sovereign techniques for resisting everything from speeding tickets to drug charges, for an estimated total of 300,000. As sovereign theories go viral throughout the nation's prison systems and among people who are unemployed and desperate in a punishing economy, this number is likely to grow.

    Paper terrorism
    The weapon of choice for sovereign citizens is paper. A simple traffic violation or pet-licensing case can end up provoking dozens of court filings containing hundreds of pages of pseudo-legal nonsense. For example, Donna Lee Wray – the common-law wife of Jerry Kane, who was half of the team that killed the two police officers in West Memphis, Arkansas, in 2010 – was involved in a protracted legal battle in 2010 over having to pay a dog-licensing fee. She filed 10 sovereign documents in court over a two-month period and then declared victory when the harried prosecutor decided to drop the case. The battle was fought over a three-year dog license that costs just $20 in Pinellas County, Florida, where the sovereign lives.

    The size of the documents is an issue since already-swamped courts are forced to respond to them, but so is the nonsensical language the documents are written in. They have a kind of special sovereign code language that judges, lawyers and other court staff simply can’t understand (nor can most non-sovereigns). Sovereigns believe that if they can find just the right combination of words, punctuation, paper, ink color and timing, they can have anything they want – freedom from taxes, unlimited wealth and life without licenses, fees or laws. It’s the modern-day equivalent of “abracadabra.”

    millions, billions or even quadrillions of dollars.

    They have also perpetrated a number of illegal housing related money-making schemes. Sovereigns have fraudulently deeded empty homes to themselves that don’t legally belong to them, moved in and changed the locks. They have signed up for Section 8 as landlords for properties they do not own. They have talked homeowners in the midst of foreclosure into quitclaiming their property deeds to them and charged the homeowners fees to stop foreclosures they have no ability to stop. Over the course of four years, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development recovered $17 million from these sorts of sovereign citizen scammers who had been prosecuted for their crimes, according to a 2015 report.

    Sovereigns file fake tax forms that are designed to ruin an enemy’s credit rating and cause them to be audited by the IRS. Starting in the mid-1990s, a period when the sovereign movement was also on the rise, states began to pass laws specifically aimed at these paper-terrorism tactics.

    In April 2017, the state of Colorado cracked down heavily on sovereign activity by charging a group of sovereigns, known as the Colorado Eight, with racketeering. According to the state, eight members of a group, which ran its own common law courts, “collaborated with one or more of the other principals and/or complicitors as part of a long term scheme and endeavor to initially attempt to influence various Colorado-based public servants, including Colorado State and Municipal Court Judges, prosecutors, sheriffs, and other public officials who in their legal capacities had responsibilities related to a legal matter which involved a member of this enterprise.”

    Bruce Doucette, the most prominent member of Colorado Eight, is best known for holding a faux trial in Burns, Oregon, that put public officials on trial. These officials had opposed the Bundy brothers occupation of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge. Doucette was sentenced to 38 years in prison for his crimes. A co-defendant. Stephen Nalty, was sentenced to 36 years in prison, and another, Steven Byfield, was sent away for 22 years.

    Recruits
    Most new recruits to the sovereign citizens movement are people who have found themselves in a desperate situation, often due to the economy or foreclosures, in search of a quick fix.

    Others are intrigued by the notions of easy money and living a lawless life, free from unpleasant consequences. For many, it’s a political issue. They don’t like taxes, traffic laws, child support obligations or banking practices, but they are too impatient to try to change what they dislike through traditional, political means.

    The sovereign group Republic for the United States of America (RuSA) successfully recruited members over the past decade by marketing themselves as sovereign Christians who were forming a government that would one day run America. Led by James Timothy Turner, from a small town in Alabama, the group spread its message nationwide forming chapters throughout the U.S.

    Formed in 2011, the National Liberty Alliance (NLA) also recruited nationwide. Headquartered in New York and led by John Darash, the group focuses on creating common law grand juries.

    When the Bundys, sovereign citizens who coordinated standoffs at their ranch in Nevada in 2014 and at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Oregon in 2016, shared their ideologies with huge groups of antigovernment patriots, they reached other potential recruits. In 2018, Ryan Bundy ran for governor of Nevada on a sovereign citizen platform that included the right to travel. He lost the election, garnering only 1.4 percent of the vote.

    Ryan Bundy is associated with Julie Embry of North Richland Hills, Texas. Embry helped him complete several legal filings using sovereign citizen terminology. Embry is a member of a group of faux marshals called the Continental Marshals for the Republic, whose members were often recruited by the sovereign group known as the Superior Court of the Continental united States (CuSA), which coordinated common law courts in various states.

    The “Marshals” are meant to be the enforcement arm for common law courts. They make their own uniforms, fake badges and identification cards. According to their handbook:

    In actual practice, the constitutional/continental marshal for the district, or state, primarily oversees court security, and has a unit of appointed deputies, including but not limited to, the serving and enforcement of all writs, warrants, presentments, indictments, etc., as provided by the grand jury, issued with signature and authority granted to a constitutional/continental justice. The constitutional/ continental marshals service also assists with court security and prisoner transport, asset forfeiture, and in seeking fugitives.

    Some of the so-called marshals have taken their position very seriously. Four were arrested on Feb. 1, 2017, after they showed up at the Valencia County Detention Center in New Mexico, where their associate, Andrew Pantokai, was being held. They unsuccessfully attempted to use their status as marshals to break him out of jail.

    That same year, in 2017, the QAnon conspiracy theory was born when messages from someone calling themselves “Q” appeared on 8chan. The conspiracy-laden messages influenced some of adherents to join the sovereign citizens movement. This occurred after sovereigns with online followings began making supportive remarks about Q on their social media pages and promoting their own posts with the Q-specific hashtag #WWG1WGA, which stands for Where We Go One We Go All.

    Schemes
    In times of economic prosperity, sovereigns typically rely on absurd and convoluted schemes to evade state and federal income taxes and hide their assets from the IRS. In times of financial hardship, they turn to debt- and mortgage-elimination scams, taking adverse possession of properties, techniques to avoid child support payments, and even attempts to use their redemption techniques to get out of serious criminal charges.

    While the techniques shared by promoters rarely perform as promised, most followers are nonetheless content to be fighting the battle, and they blame only the judges, lawyers, prosecutors and police when their gurus’ methods fail. On the rare occasion where they succeed in obtaining money through their schemes, it is based on criminal exploitation of a loophole in the tax or financial system, or outright theft, and their perceived success is often followed up with prosecution for the crimes they have committed. Many sovereign citizens have been charged, sentenced and imprisoned for their wrongdoing.

    For many, their misguided membership in the movement is an immersive and heady experience. In a Feb. 13, 2012, Forbes piece, antigovernment expert J.J. MacNab said, “Once a sovereign feels the flush of excitement and self-importance that comes from acting as the David to the U.S. government’s Goliath, they know, with all of their hearts and souls, that their research is correct, that their cause is just, and that anyone who disagrees with them is a criminal who deserves to be punished.”

    Movement sub-types
    Members of the movement are not a homogenous group. What unites them is their belief that the federal government is illegitimate, and they have officially left its purview. Members use various means to pledge their allegiance to what they consider a legitimate jurisdiction. Many file legal notices announcing their intentions to change citizenship. Others give verbal or written oaths to the group they have joined and change their names to one advocated by the group or its leaders. Although individuals maintain that they are sovereign after completing these steps, none of these are legal ways to relinquish American citizenship, and the faux nations they join cannot provide them with legal citizenship either.

    Once they have declared sovereign citizenship, most individuals will attempt to utilize it to their own advantage. Some refuse to apply and pay for state licenses, registration or insurance – or pay their traffic tickets. Some attempt to defraud the government or corporations by filing fraudulent forms or making falsities on legitimate forms that save or secure them money. Others attempt to exact revenge on public officials or private citizens through the use of criminal complaints or financial liens filed against those individuals.

    These are the most prevalent activities used by sovereign citizens. But the similarities between sovereign citizens often ends there. Sovereign believers come in a variety of ethnicities and religions. Some live in urban areas while others are off the grid, living in rural areas. They all share core beliefs, but the leaders they follow and the ideas that animate them tend to differ widely.

    These are the most commonly known types of sovereign citizens that exist in America, some of which have cross pollinated and fit within multiple sub-types:

    Common Law Court and National Assembly Members: These individuals use a patchwork of misinterpreted old English law, constitutional text and Bible verses to form pseudo-courts, which they call common law courts, or entirely new governments, which they describe as assemblies. They believe these new governments will be put to use once our current government fails. They believe the U.S. court system is illegitimate and only utilize it as defendants or to enact retribution against individuals, public officials or government agencies. They bring their grievances, primarily against the state and federal government to their common law courts. These pseudo courts typically provide them with the outcomes they are looking for, which can be anything from bogus indictments, filing commercial liens to arrest warrants, multi-million or billion-dollar judgments or calls for execution against the person or government agency they are aggrieved at.

    Constitutional Sovereigns: These individuals use the constitution to make claims that the federal government is illegitimate and overreaching its intended authority. They have used this belief to justify extreme and illegal acts against the federal government and its assorted agencies. The Bundy family is an example of this particular ideology. Claiming the government was tyrannically encroaching on their rights, they refused to pay their grazing fees, which were $1 million in arrears, and justified their use of armed occupation and protest as resistance to perceived tyranny.

    Galactic Sovereigns: A small number of sovereigns hold a concurrent belief that friendly aliens will visit earth and they are actively planning for this occurrence or believe that public officials and other individuals are reptilian aliens. Many of these believers, and some additional sovereigns subscribe to a conspiracy theory called NESARA. This theory purports that 15 “trusted” members of Congress and President Clinton signed a bill in secret in the year 2000 known as the National Economic Security and Reformation Act. They think this law would have abolished the IRS and income tax, returned the form of constitutional law to America that sovereigns believe was secretly replaced by maritime law, end war and establish world peace. Sovereigns think powerful groups have kept this law secret through gag orders and sabotage, and when it looked like it would be publicly introduced on September 11, 2001, there was a coordinated an attempt to stop it.

    The most prominent believers include Sheldan Nidle, Anna von Reitz and Destry Payne, co-leader of the sovereign group National Assembly.

    Moorish Sovereigns: These individuals are both Moors and sovereigns. They believe they were America’s original inhabitants and are therefore entitled to self-governing, nation-within-a-nation status, claiming to possess territories within the United States made up of land they do not legally own. Members are almost always African-American. Their supposed “magic key” to exemption from the law is their claim that they are descendants of the Moroccan “Moors” and are thus subject to the 1786 Moroccan-American Treaty of Friendship, which they believe gives them exemption from American law. They think their “indigenous” status provides them with similar privileges to American Indians.

    Moorish sovereigns have their own set of gurus who they study and groups they can join, including the Washitaw and the United States of America Republic government. They also offer items for members to purchase, including fake identification cards and license plates listing the name of the territory they claim to belong to.

    A tactic used predominantly by Moorish sovereigns is adverse possession, which involves squatting in foreclosed and other properties. They have been known to cause extensive property damage and create significant problems for rightful owners.

    Some people who currently or previously identified as Nuwaupians, Nuwaubians and Yamasee Indian, all of whom followed Dwight York, have joined Moorish sovereign groups since York’s incarceration for transporting minors across state lines for sexual purposes and racketeering. York is serving a 135-year sentence.

    Tax Protesters: These individuals, based upon their sovereign beliefs, refuse to pay taxes or file tax returns out of a mistaken belief that the federal income tax is unconstitutional, invalid, voluntary, or otherwise not applicable to them using one of a number of erroneous arguments. There are numerous gurus, such as the recently incarcerated Winston Shrout, who made a significant income from holding seminars and selling kits based on various bogus tax w theories before being arrested and incarcerated for his crimes.

    Violence
    Some sovereign citizens have turned to violence. When a sovereign feels particularly desperate, angry, battle-weary and cornered, his next government contact, no matter how minor, can be his final straw – and the resulting rage can be lethal.

    In 1995, a sovereign named Michael Hill pulled a gun on an officer during a traffic stop in Frazeysburg, Ohio. Hill was killed.

    In 1997, in Colebrook, New Hampshire extremist Carl Drega shot two officers dead and two civilians and wounded another three officers before being killed himself. In that same year in Boise, Idaho, brothers Doug and Craig Broderick were pulled over for failing to signal. They killed one officer and wounded another before they were killed during a violent gun battle.

    In December 2003, members of the Bixby family, who lived outside of Abbeville, South Carolina, killed two law enforcement officers in a dispute over a sliver of land next to their home.

    In May 2010, Jerry and Joseph Kane, a father and son sovereign team, killed two West Memphis, Arkansas, police officers who had pulled them over in a routine traffic stop. Later that day, the Kanes were killed in a shootout with police.

    In April 2018, Travis Reinking, 29, shot up a Waffle House in Antioch, Tennessee, killing an employee and three patrons. Reinking identified himself as a sovereign citizen in 2017 when he showed up at the White House and was arrested after demanding to see President Trump.

    A July 2014 study by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism that looked at the perceptions about terrorist threats found that U.S. law enforcement noted that sovereign citizens pose the greatest threat. The Department of Justice considers sovereign citizens a domestic terrorism threat.

    On July 17, 2016, Gavin Eugene Long, alleged to belong to the Washitaw Nation, killed three law enforcement officers in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, in an ambush.

    On July 3, 2021, members of the Rise of the Moors, wearing tactical gear and carrying firearms, refused to comply with Massachusetts state troopers’ directions to drop their weapons and ran into the woods. A shelter in place order was issued and Interstate 95 was closed until police confirmed the threat had abated. Eleven members were arrested in the incident.


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    The sovereign citizen movement has become the bane of many police officers in the U.S.

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    The sovereign citizen movement has become the bane of many police officers in the U.S.

    These people feel that due to some contrived loopholes in the constitution they can declare themselves free and laws do not apply to them. However, people who get their legal advice from Wikipedia find out these loopholes don’t tend to actually exist.

    For many officers, a traffic stop will be a likely way to encounter one of these people. Please do not take them lightly. Most sovereign citizens are basically law-abiding people, albeit highly misinformed about how the law works. However, some sovereigns have proved a willingness and ability to be violent. If you suspect you are dealing with a sovereign citizen as a LEO, please call for backup.

    If you read any sovereign literature, they advocate trying to confuse and befuddle the police. Their mantra is to make a cop so confounded the officer just decides to end the contract before he/she becomes more perplexed.

    1. “I AM NOT DRIVING, I AM TRAVELING.”
    Often the sovereign citizens don’t bother to pay for their licenses. They feel the right to free movement means they do not need a license. Travel is a right, which is true.

    What the sovereigns fail to grasp is they are free to travel, by foot, by bike, even by horse. A car is a complex machine. To operate a complex machine requires training and some licensure to operate said machine. Heck, here in Wisconsin all our driving laws are worded with “operate a motor vehicle”; none say “drive.”

    2. "AS A FREE PERSON, I DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE JURISDICTION YOU HAVE BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH…"
    At some point, a sovereign citizen will say they are a free person. As a free person, they are not subject to any local laws and are “free of any legal constraints,” including taxes and fines.

    What they fail to grasp is that they want all the protection of local government without paying the cost for it. Ask a sovereign what they would do if their child was hurt. Ask if their house was on fire how they plan to put it out? Their response is always to call 911. It is a funny, eye-opening experience to point out that 911 and the fire/EMS service is a local, tax-funded entity. So if they are a free person, well maybe 911 is something they are free to keep away from as well -- as in no ambulance and no fire trucks for them because they are not paying for the service.

    3. “SPEEDING IS NOT A CRIME; A CRIME REQUIRES AN ‘INJURED PARTY.’”
    In their twisted view of the law they feel ordinance violations are not valid because there is no victim. Yet they forget we have different levels of legal violations in this country.

    Here in Wisconsin most, traffic and other minor violations are ordinance violations. Not a crime, but a civil forfeiture. Thus, no “injured party” is needed. It is a civil matter, not a criminal matter.

    4. “AS A FREE PERSON, YOUR LICENSE PLATE TAXES DO NOT APPLY TO ME.”
    It seems some sovereign citizens will make their own license plates for their cars. These plates will display terms like “US Constitutional Plate,” “Exempt: Sovereign Neutral Non-Combatant,” “Sovereign Christian Citizen.” or any of some other non-legal terms. They feel they are exempt from the 'illegal' tax on car ownership.

    These sovereigns love to use legal terms and talk about contracts. They forget the nice roads they “travel” on have to be paved and, in the winter, plowed. Point out to them that there is a social contract between the people using the roads and the people keeping the roads open for travel. Someone needs to pay for the cost of the roads, so license plate costs are not a tax, they are a user fee.

    5. “AM I BEING DETAINED?”
    The sovereign citizens and the CopBlock movement both love this question. People who got their law degrees by reading Facebook comments feel that being detained is the same as an arrest. Yet real lawyers can explain the difference between the two.

    Yes, a traffic stop is a short investigative detention. An officer with reasonable suspicion that a violation has taken place may stop someone for a short time to establish facts related to that violation. How brief that short time will be is decided solely by the citizen. If they want to play games, they are the one making the contact last longer.

    CONCLUSION
    Remember, sovereign citizens have the propensity for violence. Make sure you have backup. Keep your eyes open for threats. Just because they are dumb enough to get brainwashed into some crazy belief system does not mean they are too stupid to learn tactics to hurt us.

    Their tactic is to cause confusion with the officer. Turn the tables on them and confuse them. Make them question what they have learned by watching videos on YouTube. Twice I have used the example of the fire department on a sovereign citizen. Both times they were so flummoxed they forgot all the other rhetoric.




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    Sovereign citizens: Threats and law enforcement responses

    According to various estimates, there are several hundred thousand sovereign citizen adherents in the United States, a type of anti-government extremists. These individuals believe that the U.S. federal government is illegitimate and that they are “freemen,” outside the control of government. Sovereign citizens eschew all affiliations and interactions with the federal government, while giving primacy to the power of the county law enforcement official, the sheriff. Furthermore, this mindset is comprised of pseudo-legal jargon as well as sometimes coupled with various conspiracy theories of militia groups: from a world-government trend to a foreign cabal controlling the U.S. and from the existence of UN troops and FEMA concentration camps on U.S. soil.

    Indeed, there has been some overlap between those who espouse sovereign citizen and radical militia ideologies; the latter being stringent Second Amendment supporters with an, often, strong strain of anti-government precepts, tied with the fear that government authorities will confiscate guns and weapons of U.S. citizenry. Some individuals embrace traditional sovereign citizen, extremist militia and other radical tenets.

    In the past several years, sovereign citizens have increasingly been involved in criminal activities nationwide, including fraud as well as threats and violence against government officials, particularly law enforcement.

    Among the more prominent examples of sovereign citizen violence against law enforcement are the:

    • 2018 killing of a police officer in Locust Grove, Georgia, by Tierre Guthrie;
    • 2017 murder of a police officer in Three Forks, Montana by Lloyd and Marshall Barrus;
    • 2016 killings of three police officers in Baton Rouge by Gavin Long;
    • 2014 killing of two Las Vegas Police Department officers by Jerad and Amanda Miller;
    • 2012 killing of two sheriff’s deputies in Louisiana by a family-linked sovereign citizen cabal;
    • and the 2010 killing of two West Memphis police officers by father-son team Jerry and Joe Kane.
    These murders are indicative of the types of threats law enforcement have faced from sovereign citizens for more than three decades, which arose with the sovereign citizen progenitor, the Posse Comitatus group.

    Against this backdrop, it is crucial that U.S. law enforcement is made aware of the dynamics of the threat of sovereign citizens and craft solutions to combat this growing homeland security challenge. Security leaders at the enterprise level should also be educated on the issue, as potential insider threats abound in this area as well.



    With that in mind, this article addresses the key issues that security leaders and law enforcement should consider regarding this domestic threat:
    1. What they think?
    While there is no uniformity in sovereign citizen ideology, most believe that the government is illegitimate, and prefer autonomy from the government. They believe there is no need to pay taxes, obtain licenses or registrations, pay fees, or participate in court proceedings.

    They may characterize their activities as personal and non-commercial, claiming autonomy from the government. Others may establish fictitious organizations or nations, asserting they have diplomatic immunity. Some believe that they can pay off debts and other obligations by accessing a fictitious U.S. Treasury account.

    They can be hostile or aggressive vis-à-vis law enforcement, prosecutors, judges and other government officials. Their hatred for government may lead to them purposely targeting with violence in preplanned attacks or in dynamic situations.

    Concurrently, they may be involved in “paper terrorism,” meaning they file frivolous lawsuits and try to put liens on real estate and personal property in the hopes of getting a financial settlement or having their targets ignore their illegal activities.

    2. How can you tell if you are interacting with a sovereign citizen?
    Their Car: May have no license plate, fake license plate, anti-government stickers, anti-government posters/leaflets.

    Their Home: Surveillance cameras, security fences, anti-government stickers, anti-government posters/leaflets.

    When you interact with them they may: Claim that they are a sovereign citizen traveling upon the land, uncooperative (no response, cite statutes/law claiming you are in the wrong), ask you for your delegation of authority, allege that you have no authority to stop/question them, share with you fraudulent documents (e.g., driver’s license, car registration, insurance), threaten you with lawsuits/liens on your property, threaten you verbally/physically, drive away during traffic stop, try to harm you with their car/weapon.

    3. What you should be concerned about when interacting with a sovereign citizen?
    Car/Home/Elswhere: Do they have weapons (particularly firearms)? Are they video/audio recording your conversation? Are there additional persons in the car?

    Officers should look for possible criminal activity in the realm of weapons, drugs, proceeds of crime, money laundering, components of explosives, fraudulent documents/currency, fraud, extortion, illegitimate government filings, etc.

    4. Typical crimes that sovereign citizens have been convicted of, include:
    • Interfering with officer duties, threats against officer;
    • Murder, solicitation of violence;
    • Impersonating an officer, diplomat;
    • Forged documents, forged currency, fraudulent financial instruments;
    • Mail, wire, bank fraud;
    • Advocating the overthrow of the federal government;
    • Tax violations (failure to pay, evading taxes, fraudulent returns);
    • Debt elimination scheme;
    • Extortion;
    • Numerous traffic infractions (no registration, license, insurance).
    5. So, then what?
    1. First, determine if the person claims to be a sovereign citizen.
    2. Next, ensure your safety, (Are they agitated/aggressive? Does this appear to be the first time/nth time they had negative interaction with police?)
    3. Assess if they are a threat to you or others.
    4. See if they have committed or plan on committing a crime.
    5. Ask questions, gather documents/flyers/evidence.
    6. Based on what they say or do, what crimes have they committed (or do they plan on committing)?
    7. Reach out to supervisor, fusion center, Joint Terrorism Task Force or intelligence zone officer.
    8. File a suspicious activity report.
    9. Be aware of possible retribution by sovereign citizens such as lawsuits in state or federal court, liens on your home/personal property, possible filing of involuntary bankruptcy, or threat or attack at your home.

    Sovereign citizens: Threats and law enforcement responses
     
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    Damn., that was almost as long as some of RS posts.
     
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    Ok. So,
    Here is why you challenge the jurisdiction of the court immediately. You don't allow them to talk about the case. You don't understand the charges, and you are not there to enter a plea.

    Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, a motion to dismiss for lack of subject-matter jurisdiction is considered a favored defense and may be raised at any point in the litigation process, even if the parties had previously argued that subject-matter jurisdiction existed. In fact, the court may dismiss a case sua sponte (on its own) for lack of subject-matter jurisdiction. See, e.g., Fed. R. Civ. Proc. 12(b)(1).

    General and Limited Jurisdiction
    The requirement that a court have subject-matter jurisdiction means that the court can only assume power over a claim which it is authorized to hear under the laws of the jurisdiction. For example, Congress limited the subject-matter jurisdiction of the United States Tax Court to cases related to taxation; thus, that court does not have subject-matter jurisdiction over any other matter. Most state courts are courts of general jurisdiction, whereas federal courts have limited jurisdiction. That is, state courts are presumed to have power to hear virtually any claim arising under federal or state law, except those falling under the exclusive jurisdiction of the federal courts. However, for pragmatic reasons some states deny subject-matter jurisdiction to specific claims, such as those arising in other states. Most states also maintain specialized courts of limited subject-matter jurisdiction. Examples of these types of courts include probate courts, traffic courts, juvenile courts, and small claims courts. As for federal courts, with few exceptions found in the Constitution itself, Congress defines their limited subject-matter jurisdiction. In order to bring an action in federal court, the plaintiff must find a constitutional or congressional grant of subject-matter jurisdiction to allow the federal court to hear the claim. See U.S. Const. Art. III, Sec. 2. As a general rule, courts read congressional grants of subject-matter jurisdiction narrowly, resolving any ambiguities in favor of denying jurisdiction.

    Standing
    A threshold concern for all federal courts is the presence, or absence, of constitutional standing. The standing requirement, as governed by Article III of the Constitution, permits federal courts to adjudicate only cases or controversies. A case or controversy must comprise an actual injury that can be redressed. See Lujan v. Defenders of Wildlife at p559. Subject-matter jurisdiction does not exist in the absence of constitutional standing. This restriction prevents courts—whose members are not elected and are therefore not politically accountable—from influencing the law in a legislative capacity. In this sense, the standing doctrine and subject-matter jurisdiction facilitate the separation of powers.
    Just wait !
     
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    COMMON LAW V. STATUTORY JURISDICTION

    Common law is "the law of the land." In contrast, legislated or statutory law - like the laws of Congress - are written mostly by attorneys to further their own self-interest or to favor special-interest groups with big bucks.

    Some say we don't have common law anymore.
    It must be invoked in the court.
    Art. 4, Sec. 4. INVOKE IT !!

    It is possible for an individual or company to operate according to the basic principles of freedom inherent in human nature. Most fundamentally, these are the rights to own property and to engage in voluntary exchange. These are also basic common law rights, and the two basic principles of Voluntary Capitalism. These principles are in accordance with the U.S. Constitution as intended by our Founding Fathers. The spirit of Voluntary Capitalism was expressed in the famous Supreme Court case cited in Chapter Two:

    "The individual may stand upon his constitutional rights as a citizen. He is entitled to carry on his private business in his own way. His power to contract is unlimited. He owes no such duty [to submit his books and papers for an examination] to the State, since he receives nothing therefrom, beyond the protection of his life and property. His rights are such as existed by the law of the land [Common Law] long antecedent to the organization of the State, and can only be taken from him by due process of law, and in accordance with the Constitution. Among his rights are a refusal to incriminate himself, and the immunity of himself and his property from arrest or seizure except under a warrant of the law. He owes nothing to the public so long as he does not trespass upon their rights." Hale v. Henkel, 201 U.S. 43 at 47 (1906).

    Article I, Section 10 of the Constitution states: "No State shall pass any law impairing the obligation of contracts." The individual's right to contract is unlimited and no State may interfere with that right.

    Very few Americans know that they have a fundamental choice: To live their lives and conduct their businesses under common-law jurisdiction or under statutory jurisdiction. Common Law is the law of the land, the law of the Constitution. Statutory law is legislated law.

    The IRS makes this distinction between the two kinds of law:
    "1. Common law comprises the body of principles and rules of action relating to government and security of persons and property which derive their authority solely from usages and customs or from judgments and decrees of courts recognizing, affirming, and enforcing such usages and customs.
    2. Statutory law refers to laws enacted and established by a legislative body." IRS Manual, page 5041.1 Section 222.1.

    Much of the original U.S. common law has been codified in a single Federal statute, the Uniform Commercial Code.

    "The Code is complementary to the Common Law, which remains in force, except where displaced by the code." UCC 1-103.6.

    The UCC provides the mechanism for making the choice between common law jurisdiction and statutory jurisdiction. It also states that the failure to make the choice results in the loss of common law rights.

    THIS IS WHY YOU SIGN YOUR NAME LIKE THIS;
    U.D. Signature UCC 1-207, 1-308.
    (no liability and retain all rights)

    "When a waivable right or claim is involved, the failure to make a reservation thereof, causes a loss of the right, and bars its assertion at a later date." UCC 1-207.9.

    "The Sufficiency of the Reservation - Any expression indicating an intention to reserve rights, is sufficient, such as "without prejudice."" UCC 1-207.4.

    The specific method for reserving your common law rights - for choosing to operate under common law jurisdiction - is to write below your signature "Without Prejudice UCC 1-207." You could use this phrase on your driver's licence, on bank signature cards, and on contracts.

    FEDERAL JURISDICTION

    Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution states:
    "Congress shall have power to exercise exclusive legislation, in all cases whatsoever, over such district (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States; and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the Legislature of the State in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings."

    Very few Americans (including lawyers) know that federal legislative and territorial jurisdiction is very limited. It is limited to the ten square miles of Washington, DC, certain military bases where States have ceded jurisdiction, certain territories such as Puerto Rico and Guam, and certain guano islands.

    This information comes from a 29-page paper by Attorney Lowell H. Becraft, Jr. The Supreme Court has stated:
    "The laws of Congress in respect to those matters do not extend into the territorial limits of the states, but have force only in the District of Columbia, and other places that are within the exclusive jurisdiction of the national government." Caha v. U.S., 142 U.S., at 215 (1894).

    Becraft cites twenty court cases confirming the territorial limitation of federal jurisdiction, including:

    • U.S. v. Cotroni, 527 F.2d 708, 711 (2nd Cir., 1975) - holding federal wiretap laws as territorial.
    • Reyes v. Secretary of H.E.W., 476 F.2d 910, 915 (D.C. Cir., 1973) - holding administration of Social Security Act as territorial.
    • Schoenbaum v. Firstbrook, 268 F. Supp. 385, 392 (S.D.N.Y., 1967) - holding securities act as territorial.
    GENERAL CASE LAW ON JURISDICTION

    "Jurisdiction can be challenged at any time." Basso v. Utah Power & Light Co., 495 F 2nd 906 at 910.

    "It is axiomatic that the prosecution must always prove territorial jurisdiction over a crime in order to sustain a conviction therefor." U.S. v. Benson, 495 F.2d, at 481 (5th Cir., 1974).

    "The law provides that once State and Federal Jurisdiction has been challenged, it must be proven." Main v. Thiboutot, 100 S. Ct. 2502 (1980).

    "Where there is absence of proof of jurisdiction, all administrative and judicial proceedings are a nullity, and confer no right, offer no protection, and afford no justification, and may be rejected upon direct collateral attack." Thompson v Tolmie, 2 Pet. 157, 7 L. Ed. 381; and Griffith v. Frazier, 8 Cr. 9, 3 L. Ed. 471.

    "The United States is entirely a creature of the Federal Constitution, its power and authority has no other source and it can only act in accordance with all the limitations imposed by the Constitution." Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1, 1 L. Ed. 2nd. 1148 (1957).

    "The rights and liberties of the citizens of the United States are not protected by custom and tradition alone, they are preserved from the encroachments of government by express/enumerated provisions of the Federal Constitution." Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1, 1 L. Ed. 2nd. 1148 (1957).

    "The prohibitions of the Federal Constitution are designed to apply to all branches of the national government and cannot be nullified by the executive or by the executive and the senate combined." Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1, 1 L. Ed. 2nd. 1148 (1957).

    "Where rights as secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which will abrogate them." Miranda v. Ariz., 384 U.S. 436 at 491 (1966).

    "Congress may not, by any definition it may adopt, conclude the matter, since it cannot by legislation alter the Constitution." Eisner v. McComber, 252 U.S. 189 at 207.

    The Devil is in the details.
    The easiest way for evil to prevail, is for man to do nothing.

    THEY DO NOT HAVE JURISDICTION !!!
    FIGHT THE TICKET, CHALLENGE JURISDICTION,
    WIN !!!!! simple
    if enough of us do it, they will have to stop harassing us.
    No more check points. No more fines.
    Ride and be free right.
     
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    I heard some blob of a 45yr old got his a$$ beat by his mom when she found him in her basement with his DikinTheBulldawg.
     
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    Maybe I am trying to stop this.
    Teen's heart stops after Tasing - CNN Video
    Watch the video. There are too many like it, and i'll be damned if im gonna be controlled by people like this.
    OR ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN TO MY KID.
     

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