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  1. ReigningScorpios

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    I don't want this taken down so I feel I should let you know, I am not giving legal advice or bad information. It"s simply for me and whoever would like to learn, to hear peoples thoughts on where they feel this would fail, and I can give answers that are supported to prove it will not fail.
    A friendly thread, not a competition. But I am cheating because I have used it in court already and won.
    I thought I would start this thread to clarify and show the importance of our American unalienable rights.
    This is not some conspiracy blah blah, but honest to God truth.
    The simple fact that our motorcycles , cars and trucks, are not supposed to be registered. Unless, it is a company vehicle that is making you a profit.
    In fact, when you register them, you are commiting fraud.
    Now this is first time that I feel I have a decent chance at teaching people how to deal with the court, and it can be tricky. But this is what the men and women go risk their life for. They call it our freedom. But what is that exactly? I mean, France is free. Canada is free. Hell, Russia is free. We're nothing special looking at it like that. Our freedom IS that piece of paper. The Law of The Land. The Constitution. And everybody is just giving it away.
    The right to travel, to move freely, cannot be coverted into a crime. That's the court breaking the law.
    They can't say, "Ok, we'll give you your right if you pay us, and if you don't, we'll lock you up."
    Now I know what your thinking, trust me, I did to. But I DID try it. And after a couple losses, I learned what traps they use. I'm not gonna call them tricks because then it won't sound legitimate.
    But it's not only legitimate, but it's done completely by using their rules. And doing this takes the entire Motor Vehicle Code book, and throws it out the window.
    UNLESS YOU ARE MAKING A PROFIT, then you are not DRIVING a MOTOR VEHICLE.
    You are not OPERATING, thats not your PASSENGER and on and on.
    This picture I'm putting up is exactly, the reason we need to exercise our rights. (Picture coming soon. Low memory)
    It is from a judge in Sonora, California, and it says that California IS NOT A STATE OF THE UNION OR A STATE. Which was the reason the judge and the clerk told me I don't have a Constitution and can't use Supreme Court rulings because I had no rights.
    THINK ABOUT THAT.
    There isn't one country out there that has done THAT much damage to our nation as the court did right there.
    If you don't know your rights or fight for them, then you lost them.
    Don't worry though. I TOOK A NO REGISTRATION/NO INSURANCE TICKET (fix it) FROM THE HIGHWAY PATROL, THAT THE JUDGE TURNED IBTO A $1200 TICKET, AND BEAT IT.
    I've been pulled over 5 times since by the sheriff, and they let me go, every time. Because I won. Cabt try me for the same crime twice.
    So look these up, and you can argue with them if you want. These aren't my rules. Its THEIR rules.
    UNITED STATES CODE
    Title 31
    1) Definition of Motor Vehicle
    2) Definition of Used For Commercial Purposes.
    that right there should end it.
    The USC trumps these county codes and statutes and "policies".
    If this strikes your interest, I will save you all the errors that i can.
    It's not legal advice or "practice of law"
    But it IS , PERFECTING THE LAW.
    But it has to be done right or they'll rob you without even wearing a mask.
    By the way, its the same fight for any license. Hunting, fishing, carrying a gun. NO LICENSE.
    Then Google for a LEGAL dictionary, and find the definition of
    1) Traffic. (why are you in commercial court)
    2) Driver. ( where you on the clock, employed, )
    3) Passenger. (or we're they just a guest ?
     
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  2. 08vegasrider

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    You were high as hell when you typed all that at 4 in the morning weren't you?
     
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    @ReigningScorpios Huh, that’s a thinker, am not disagreeing with you because I have always taken the tag, insurance etc. etc. etc. as just the normal screwing you pay to use the countries roadways but now I must read & learn more about this very new ( to me ) very interesting tidbit of info. Cali’s definitely different than my area but most laws should still apply. Thanks for sharing ur experiences on the matter, am sure that others curiosity is peaked as well
     
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    Well, that's California for you! No way would that fly in Texas!
     
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    I've heard a lot about the difference between a traveler and a driver etc etc, hell, I've got family that has pulled that. But here's the thing, I can't afford to spend 2 years in jail, without a job to argue a few hundred bucks. Maybe when I'm old :)
     
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    @ReigningScorpios, it will be interesting to read more of your reports on this. As long as it doesn’t drag on for post after post after post and end with a ‘buy my booklet to find out how you can do this too’. Things can quickly turn into and sound like an infomercial or ‘click bait’.

    Like people refusing to pay taxes only to end up owing the back taxes plus interest and fees.
     
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  7. VicVisionBulldog

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    I'm guessing you took a copy with you? US Code Title 31 is financial. What you were referencing is United States Code, Title 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
    PART I - CRIMES, CHAPTER 2 - AIRCRAFT AND MOTOR VEHICLES, Sec. 31.

    "(6) Motor vehicle.—The term “motor vehicle” means every description of carriage or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes on the highways in the transportation of passengers, passengers and property, or property or cargo."

    And

    "(10) Used for commercial purposes.—The term “used for commercial purposes” means the carriage of persons or property for any fare, fee, rate, charge or other consideration, or directly or indirectly in connection with any business, or other undertaking intended for profit."


    So I read that I see where you are trying to take it but that's the CCP.

    Look at your own vehicle code, the California Vehicle Code or CVC,

    "415.

    (a) A “motor vehicle” is a vehicle that is self-propelled.

    (b) “Motor vehicle” does not include a self-propelled wheelchair, motorized tricycle, or motorized quadricycle, if operated by a person who, by reason of physical disability, is otherwise unable to move about as a pedestrian.

    (c) For purposes of Chapter 6 (commencing with Section 3000) of Division 2, “motor vehicle” includes a recreational vehicle as that term is defined in subdivision (a) of Section 18010 of the Health and Safety Code, but does not include a truck camper."


    What I'm thinking is the judge the day you "won" just didn't want to deal with you and I bet the police now feel the same way. I guess that really is a win for you but don't expect the same country wide. As for double jeopardy that does not apply to driving infractions as each time you get in your vehicle is fresh infractions bing committed. If what you said was true then after a person got a ticket for something they could never get one for that again. That's just not true.

    With all you said and you didn't get my cardboard license plate reference? I'm not buying it. How'd you get plates if you don't register your vehicles? I think you just wanted to speak your piece and thought I would be done immediately if you came out as a sovereign citizen.

    What you failed to do is show me where in the constitution it says we have the right to own and operate a motor vehicle for travel. The fact is driving is a privilege. Now if you want to "travel" in a horse drawn wagon you are certainly free to do so.
     
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    19219.gif I'm thinking Oil thread replacement here in these parts...
     
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    Where is the OP ?¿
     
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    Probably in jail after getting busted for driving without a license
     
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    No. Broke and bored as hell and tired of sleeping cause unemployment can't get their act together and get me my money so I can get back to work.
    Plus I tend to be long winded on answering questions because I want to be understood and not taken wrong and there's ALOT of information involved with this so I don't want anybody to just go to court and throw some words around and think they'll win.
    But once it's understood, it is pretty easy.
    Thank you though.
     
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    Good afternoon Mr. VicVisionBulldog. It's a pleasure seeing you here.
     
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    As a matter of fact, the past 5 times I've been pulled over, luckily, has been by the Sheriff's. When they ask for my license I simply and politely tell them that's not supposed to be used for ID and I'm not carrying it since I'm not at work and this isn't a company vehicle. I have already beaten this in court and you can't try me for the same "crime" twice and if you we're to tow it, that would be Grand Theft Auto. So you might want to call your boss first.
    Then they go to their car for about 5 minutes or less, come back and tell me, "I'm just supposed to advise you to get that taken care of. You can go."
    I say thank you, and I go.
    5 times.
    Now the city cops, I expect them to take it. And I expect to make money off of it.
    So far they haven't pulled me over.
     
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    Do unemployment checks cause you not to be specific and address an issue succinctly? Brevity is the soul of wit and all that.

    Do you have auto insurance? I’ll go out a limb and imagine you also may not carry auto insurance. If that’s the case and you cause an accident, the others all have to pay because you don’t have insurance. I’m sure your fellow California citizens would love to meet you by accident.

    Carry on.
     
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