[Meisen]

With great power comes great responsibility. BB is a great alternative to supercharging or turbo charging. I like the reliability of natural aspirated motors. With more power even a big bore you will need to strengthen the clutch and follows new start up procedure. Let the motor warm. Especially 1st start of the day. If this is your cup of tea then ride baby ride.

Thats why I Bought the Barnett pressure plate and heavy duty spring after I talked with Rylan, he said it probably would do the job.
I hjave had my issues with it but I just think the plates are gone, it did not start to slip while driving at all during the break in miles ore at full pull with te PCV, but started to slip after 4-5 dynoruns more wih the Maximus.......got 20-30nm more just by changing to Maximus.
And with that my cluch has gone now over 80.000km, I will give this a new chance without the hole Scorpion packadge.
If @Motorbikerx can make it work with stock clutch and only gold spring I should too with a lot less HP and torque.
I have both the Barnett Heavy duty spring and the Rivera Gold spring at my shelf.
FYI: For those who wonder, the Rivera Gold Spring is made for Harleys, and does not fit into the stock Victory pressure/billet plate, you need to have the Barnett billet plate.
It has a 100% fit in that one.

 

[bikendad]

If this is the case, then Harley finally have something better than Victory, there Hydraulic clutches
Thats why I converted this also, because I thought it would do the job fine, but obvesiouly not..........
My last build up was a Vrod Muscle with 144hp on the wheel and 122nm, and thats only a 1250 engine but stock hydraulic did hold there, but more torqye on the Vics.

114/114 is more than I have on mine so thats why I wonder if the 501s are to small with open pipes and removed cats, i dont know but I am not happy still with the numbers but it might just be the wrong setup.
I will have to think what i want to do, everything is so gad dam expensive to ship over to Norway also but if I still have to convert back to cable I might as well go all inn with the 495s

The 505's are more of a torque cam, the 501's are bigger and give a bit more horsepower. I think you would be going backwards with the 505's on a BB, the 501's or 504's are better suited. The 505's are used on the 106 with open pipes to help the bottom end power which shouldn't be a problem on a BB.

 

[Meisen]

New clutch, new cats in and a new tune.....I guess I will start here and we will see

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

I sure hope you have a winning combination that will work well for you. That would be a wonderful way to begin the new year.

 

[slickvic]

I sure hope you have a winning combination that will work well for you. That would be a wonderful way to begin the new year.

I have a new tune to start my new year. Today Noe Martinez performed my Maximus re tune. He corrected the issues I was having left by a Dyno tuner and left me with a great running bike. Couldn’t be happier. So much so that I will remove the PC5 on my 11 XC once I correct some issues it is having and have Noe tune it.
If you are on the fence getting a Maximus tune ….. I can tell you the process is easy and wether you’re cammed or not you will be left with a much better running motorcycle. Go for it and call Noe Martinez.

 

[Meisen]

I have the Maximus, the PCV went in the trashcan

 

[NOEMTZ]

Was a pleasure. Thanks for waiting on my delays today.

 

[bikendad]

Red lines are a 106 with the 505 cams. Blue lines are same bike with a 117 and the bigger 504 cams.

 

[slickvic]

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Red lines are a 106 with the 505 cams. Blue lines are same bike with a 117 and the bigger 504 cams.

Wow ….. big bore would be my next move if I’m ever faced with going into my motor again. A Vic with that power lever is very fun to ride.

 

[badtoejam]

First dyno is from stock to vm1dr cams, timing wheel, Lloydz air filter and d&d exhaust.
Second dyno is from the previous build to the now Big Bore 116. Both done by Rylan.

 

[parker3]

Nice power, speed costs how fast do you want to go?

 

[slickvic]

Speaking of fun ride …. BnD… how the new pursuit ? Would love to hear about it but I’m sure it’s on hibernation. My friend here in Florida traded a dam near new SG that put some $$ into and got one. It was a stray that made it to the floor of Daytona Indian. He has so far done a set of RC exhaust and now has a Lloydz ecu flash scheduled for his Daytona bike week trip coming up. He couldn’t be happier with the bike. Being a 6’4” retired fireman he finally found a ride that fits him.

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

For half the money he spent on the Polaris Indian he could have CCT with a 117” kit.

IMHO, your fireman friend would then have an original, not a rebadged copy.

 

[slickvic]

Last few days out on my XC with VM1 cams(501???) Lloyd's filter and gutted pipes.
Still has cats.....

Since the banter on here I've been taking particular notice of my tach, observing where the revs are the majority of the time.

Seems I do actually spend a fair bit of time between 2-3K when I'm not in any particular hurry, just cruising shall we say.
Up hanging at 3K then grunting it back up to 3K in the next gear and if I'm staying within the law I end up around 2500 in 6th

Tonight was different city outskirts , traffic lights, fair few cars on the road too.
Observed my tach.
Every set of lights I'd split lanes to the front and on the green see 4K away from the lights, into second and run from 3K to 4K upchange, repeat, repeat.
And wind up way ahead of all the traffic, which is the best place to be...
Rarely go past 4K unless I'm dealing with another bike or quick car.
So there I've just debunked myself😂
Depending on my situation and probably mostly, mood.
Limiters raised on the XC and it's a very rare situation if I hit it.
Playing with a couple of GSXRs on otherwise deserted freeway a few weeks ago around 3am did find me buzzing it to 6K even though they were in another league altogether to my heavyweight, and just before they both turned off I did have a bit of adrenalin when there must have been a crosswind and the bars mounted XC fairing got the bike into a bit of a weave, so I eased up.

With gutted cans you might want to try the TTI inserts from DK Customs. I just installed them in my Magnum X1 with 505 cams and they deliver as promised. More mellow exhaust note now from the obnoxious Ness big Honkers. Also a gutted muffler imo. Only a short perforated baffle in those. Might as well be called gutted. I posted a new thread on these.

 

[slickvic]

For half the money he spent on the Polaris Indian he could have CCT with a 117” kit.

IMHO, your fireman friend would then have an original, not a rebadged copy.

I’m not sure what you mean by re badged original. An original anything like Harley or Indian is anything built today. Being original would not meet any standards of manufacture regarding safety or EPA mandates. Eventually everything becomes a rebadged original. Indian motorcycles was never originally Indian motorcycles. Polaris being the rebadge manufacturer today is only a good thing regarding manufacturing. I’m not a fan how ever of their public relations. They build a hell of a motorcycle.

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

IMHO, the Indian Challenger/Pursuit is more or less a rebadged Victory. A copy (Indian) of the original (Victory) in actuality and/or promise.

Therefore, again IMHO, a Challenger/Pursuit rider would be a LOT of money ahead by focusing their attention on a Victory Cross bike with a 117" kit.

I'm still waiting for Polaris to add 'new', 'unique' and/or 'original' design to anything in their Indian line.

 

[MagVic CCT]

Inside Indian’s New PowerPlus 108 V-twin

Kevin Cameron visited Indian to get all of the details on its new PowerPlus 108 V-twin that claims 122 hp.

www.cycleworld.com

Looking at this breakdown and assessment, it seams clear to me that the "Indian" engine is indeed an improved version of our 106 freedom motors. Now, I have nothing against Indian or Polaris because of this. Well, sort of, but I'll get to that in a minute. They took a design that was excellent and improved on it. Who can blame them. Because I love excellence in all things, especially engines, I like this.
Where I have a problem with the whole thing is in their disingenuous propaganda. Every one on the planet except for those of us who know by virtue of the bikes we have, seems to be ignoring that this is a Victory design period. Improved, but clearly more than just a little Victory "dna". Of course, it likely has something to do with keeping the Victory line dead. If they were to admit that this was Victory, then how would they sell their Indians.
Well, all that having been said, I'll keep my CCT with the upgrades I've made and be very happy with it. Pretty sure it will last longer than my riding days. I won't spend any more money with Polaris. I don't like liars.......corporate or otherwise.

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

Exactly! The 108" was designed under the Victory brand and shown to Victory dealers as the 106" replacement. Then Polaris killed off Victory, rebadged the engine a couple years later to say Indian and redesigned the bike to resemble an H-D. All with an Indian logo. IMHO, Polaris Indian Challenger and Scout models have an identity crisis.

Both lines were 100% Victory designs that came out as Indians. Are we not allowed to call them 'cross dressers' any longer and now have to use the 'trans' identifier?

Polaris knows how to and does build excellent motorcycles. Regardless of what logo they put on them. My main issue is they haven't designed anything under the Indian brand that's actually new, unique and/or original. Their designers clearly exhausted their originality with Victory. I'd guess at this point Polaris has run out of old Victory designs and ideas.

I'm open to be educated if anyone can point to an Indian design that wasn't simply copied from decades old Indian design cues, someone else's art deco designs or copied directly from their Victory line. When Polaris showed their first Indian models they bragged about copying decades old Indian design cues and previously existing art deco designs. Then they rebadged the Octane and called it an Indian Scout. Most recently they took the 2018 Victory Cross bike line and rebadged it as the Indian Challenger - Pursuit etc.

I want Polaris to be successful. I also want them to get back to some original design and engineering. I've been cheering Polaris motorcycles on since before they ever released the 1999 V92C. At this point, they've gone way past my interest in a new Indian due to the pricing. At my age, I purchased my last new motorcycle in March of 2013 with my 2012 CCT. The CCT still runs and looks better than new and the 2013 Hard-Ball is my 'new' ride. I'm having fun bringing the Hard-Ball up to my level of performance and aesthetics.

It really does surprise me that my old Victory's get so much love and attention among the biker set I hang and ride with. Also at how little respect any of them have for Indian. I'm actually the one who defends Polaris for building such high quality bikes under the Indian brand name.

 

[slickvic]

Gentlemen. We keep stating the obvious and we keep hashing over what we’ve all already known. Victory is not coming back. The real truth is if Polaris wants to sell more bikes and re gain the respect of the loyal victory community ( yes many of us are still pissed) they should create service centers for victory in all of their Indian dealerships. They should also continue making parts for us indefinitely as we still want to ride victory motorcycles. A great bike that they created and we supported. Now is their chance to save face with many that still own and want to ride Victory motorcycles. Undoubtedly they would increase sales in parts and merchandise for victory and the dealers would benefit from service. In return they may actually earn the respect of the loyal victory owner who has had a full life with their bike and a sale could be made over to a new Indian motorcycle. The dealers should embrace the fact that Victory DNA lives in the Indian brand and this fact should be passed on to the perspective buyer that owns and wants to possibly trade their victory for a new Indian.

Many Indian dealers will not service Victory. They treat the brand like a red headed step child. They act like Harley dealers and think their only competition is Harley. It is not. Their other competition is us. The today victory owner that does not have a service center and is finding the parts surplus getting harder to reach every year.

Save your self Polaris and at the same time regain the respect of the greatest customers you ever had !! The ones that supported you for creating a special and a different motorcycle from everyone else.

 

[slickvic]

There is a YouTube video that you need to see. I can’t post it so you will have to look it up.

Type this title :
Victory Motorcycles - What happened to Victory and what Polaris and Indian should do next

This video is spot on. I’m sure you will agree as we need this to happen in order to continue enjoying these great bikes.