[slickvic]

Pretty pictures but I can't work them out... pressed play and nothing happens.
If it was a good pro Dyno tune I'd say it's win over remote.
That's just a guess of course.

Sorry the graphs were frozen in those positions to give you a look at the tunes while bikes were in operation. The graph that looks like a bed of nails is a Dyno tune by a well known tuner…… who just doesn’t know how to tune Maximus. He is however one of the best power commander tuners for victory out there but unfortunately no longer in this line of business.
The smoother looking graph is a Noe Martinez remote tune yielding optimum power delivery up the rpm ladder clearly showing a smoother running bike. Do they both make power ? Yes. Rideable bikes ? Well one is. The poor tuned bike pops on decel. Back fires occasionally and has flat spots up and down the throttle. That bike is my Magnum X1 and it was Dyno tuned with Maximus. It will be re tuned by Noe remotely and I look forward to the results.

 

[Meisen]

That is with everything, you have to get to know your equipment, same with a tuner
I bet this dynoguy was not the best powercommander tuner in the beginning either, everybode needs to practice to get better

 

[slickvic]

To help understand the low rpm riding thing we all seem to argue about. I have found my self many a time riding ( Leisurely) with my bike running from 2000 rpm to 2500. I’m always aware of it and the gear I’m in. The bike is fine and not lugging. I’m not in an aggressive riding mood so that rpm is just fine for easy riding.
yes Vic’s love to rev and they love to drink gas too. When someone tells me they are never under 3k rpm I ask why? Some just jump on their scoots to get a good romp going. To hear their exhaust and make their bike a super road racer. I get that ….. it’s fun sure but you don’t ride like that all the time. A Vic will ride even in 6th gear in a lower rpm. Anyone that knows the sounds a motor should exhibit in any riding condition knows how to successfully keep their motor in a happy place. There are some that do not !

 

[Meisen]

I totally agree with you on that, what I ment earlier when we talked about riding at low rpm`s I said that in Norway the roads are very very different.
We have more turn then straight roads and they can be very sharp ones to, even in the speedway(interstate), we have mountains everywhere so the roads usally go around them ore over so we are shifting gears a hole lot more.
Im not saying everybody rides the same way but I have been riding bikes in the US, and there is actually nothing to compare with our two countries when we re speaking of the raods

 

[slickvic]

That is with everything, you have to get to know your equipment, same with a tuner
I bet this dynoguy was not the best powercommander tuner in the beginning either, everybode needs to practice to get better

Yes this goes without saying. However if you are a power commander aficionado and not a Maximus pro then why wouldn’t you stick to what you know will yield the best results from your tune. We all know the mighty $$ comes in here and if you plan on getting out of the business then so be it. Take all that comes your way and get out.
What I’m trying to say is this. Life is like a box of chocolates….. you never know what you’re gonna get. Atleast with Noe Martinez we know what we are getting and he has dedicated is life now like Rylan Voss to the Vic community. These are our go to people. The ones that stayed because they built that reputation and have a good strong following. We are lucky to have them and they are even better if they also jump on the Indian performance train. That is a bike I hope to see do even better than Victory did. The PP108 motor can handle over 200 hp without opening it up. Think boost. It’s well engineered. Lloydz and Noe love the new Challenger.

 

[MagVic CCT]

Sorry the graphs were frozen in those positions to give you a look at the tunes while bikes were in operation. The graph that looks like a bed of nails is a Dyno tune by a well known tuner…… who just doesn’t know how to tune Maximus. He is however one of the best power commander tuners for victory out there but unfortunately no longer in this line of business.
The smoother looking graph is a Noe Martinez remote tune yielding optimum power delivery up the rpm ladder clearly showing a smoother running bike. Do they both make power ? Yes. Rideable bikes ? Well one is. The poor tuned bike pops on decel. Back fires occasionally and has flat spots up and down the throttle. That bike is my Magnum X1 and it was Dyno tuned with Maximus. It will be re tuned by Noe remotely and I look forward to the results.

That's what I figured.

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

I totally agree with you on that, what I ment earlier when we talked about riding at low rpm`s I said that in Norway the roads are very very different.
We have more turn then straight roads and they can be very sharp ones to, even in the speedway(interstate), we have mountains everywhere so the roads usally go around them ore over so we are shifting gears a hole lot more.
Im not saying everybody rides the same way but I have been riding bikes in the US, and there is actually nothing to compare with our two countries when we re speaking of the raods

Then I’d pay particular attention to low and mid range torque over high end torque and horsepower. You need stump pulling torque and mid range power. The top numbers shouldn’t be as vital.

 

[slickvic]

Then I’d pay particular attention to low and mid range torque over high end torque and horsepower. You need stump pulling torque and mid range power. The top numbers shouldn’t be as vital.

Again are we paying attention to the numbers or the feel of the ride? Numbers are one thing correct tune is another. A good linear power delivery is best. Torque is a given down just like the Indians thunder stroke motors. Great torque out of the hole but they fall on their face after 4000 rpm. Just when you’re getting things going the party stops. A Vic makes its best power after 3500 rpm. Why not let it shine till the end. If the bike can do it let it. Just tune it properly. None of the cams developed for a 106 is even close to radical. They all perform well. Some boost low end while another serves the cake up top. Pick your ride pick your cam and tune it from there. The 501 cams give the best performance up the ladder for the $$ with minimal work to be done like machining the covers.

That's what I figured.

Yes and all this time I just figured it was the Ness Honkers being an open exhaust with minimal baffle. When I installed RC DDT mufflers the same happened. So now I decided to look at the tune. Ahhhhh haaaaa !!

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

I’m not so sure about that as I don’t ride around at 2000 rpm. Not over 3rd gear anyway.

How many times has a post like this been put up:

“don’t ride your Victory like a Harley! Victory motors love to Rev!”

Plus, I do a lot of high speed interstate as well as mountains.
If I lived in an area without interstates and only mountains and I were improving my bike’s motor, I’d pay a lot more attention to low and mid range torque than getting the highest dyno numbers.

YMMV

 

[slickvic]

I’m not so sure about that as I don’t ride around at 2000 rpm. Not over 3rd gear anyway.

How many times has a post like this been put up:

“don’t ride your Victory like a Harley! Victory motors love to Rev!”

Plus, I do a lot of high speed interstate as well as mountains.
If I lived in an area without interstates and only mountains and I were improving my bike’s motor, I’d pay a lot more attention to low and mid range torque than getting the highest dyno numbers.

YMMV

No argument here. I certainly do not stay at 2000 rpm but have been there and in the right gear cruising ….it didnt affect the bike. When doing the mountain riding thing or city riding ….yes good torque delivery is where it’s at. You can be on a great torque band with any cam and tune as well as a stock bike. Pick a gear and find the happy place. For us flatlanders we like a full spectrum of power delivery as it can be fun pulling to 5k also. Again this doesn’t happen all the time either. The Vic is a well rounded bike for doing all kinds of riding.

 

[Meisen]

New clutch first and new round at the dyno and see how that goes
And I will use the season to decide and check for new headers with cats inn and new cams for next winter maybe.
I had to totally destroy my cats to get them out so I dont think i can find some used ones loose but will have to check.
Would be fun to see if those cats has that much impact on a bike, even with the116BB innstalled.................

 

[Motorbikerx]

Last few days out on my XC with VM1 cams(501???) Lloyd's filter and gutted pipes.
Still has cats.....

Since the banter on here I've been taking particular notice of my tach, observing where the revs are the majority of the time.

Seems I do actually spend a fair bit of time between 2-3K when I'm not in any particular hurry, just cruising shall we say.
Up hanging at 3K then grunting it back up to 3K in the next gear and if I'm staying within the law I end up around 2500 in 6th

Tonight was different city outskirts , traffic lights, fair few cars on the road too.
Observed my tach.
Every set of lights I'd split lanes to the front and on the green see 4K away from the lights, into second and run from 3K to 4K upchange, repeat, repeat.
And wind up way ahead of all the traffic, which is the best place to be...
Rarely go past 4K unless I'm dealing with another bike or quick car.
So there I've just debunked myself😂
Depending on my situation and probably mostly, mood.
Limiters raised on the XC and it's a very rare situation if I hit it.
Playing with a couple of GSXRs on otherwise deserted freeway a few weeks ago around 3am did find me buzzing it to 6K even though they were in another league altogether to my heavyweight, and just before they both turned off I did have a bit of adrenalin when there must have been a crosswind and the bars mounted XC fairing got the bike into a bit of a weave, so I eased up.

 

[slickvic]

Last few days out on my XC with VM1 cams(501???) Lloyd's filter and gutted pipes.
Still has cats.....

Since the banter on here I've been taking particular notice of my tach, observing where the revs are the majority of the time.

Seems I do actually spend a fair bit of time between 2-3K when I'm not in any particular hurry, just cruising shall we say.
Up hanging at 3K then grunting it back up to 3K in the next gear and if I'm staying within the law I end up around 2500 in 6th

Tonight was different city outskirts , traffic lights, fair few cars on the road too.
Observed my tach.
Every set of lights I'd split lanes to the front and on the green see 4K away from the lights, into second and run from 3K to 4K upchange, repeat, repeat.
And wind up way ahead of all the traffic, which is the best place to be...
Rarely go past 4K unless I'm dealing with another bike or quick car.
So there I've just debunked myself😂
Depending on my situation and probably mostly, mood.
Limiters raised on the XC and it's a very rare situation if I hit it.
Playing with a couple of GSXRs on otherwise deserted freeway a few weeks ago around 3am did find me buzzing it to 6K even though they were in another league altogether to my heavyweight, and just before they both turned off I did have a bit of adrenalin when there must have been a crosswind and the bars mounted XC fairing got the bike into a bit of a weave, so I eased up.

Ahhhhhh……. Sounds like a typical flatlander ride here in the sunny south. I too paid attention one day while riding alone. ( no other bikes) and found about the same habit. You can make a Vic run in lower rpm’s …. Even as low as 1800. They don’t like it but they can do it. 2500 to 2700 is where my Vics happy place is when we are behaving. Now riding with me mates …… in an aggressive manner so to speak……. I’ll not be under 3k. Always wanting the edge on those pesky Harley bikes that think they can ride with a Vic !

 

[badtoejam]

I liked the UD pulley for just that reason.... Let me first say I had been running VM1-DR cams, a Lloydz filter, a PCV5 tuner, and an aftermarket exhaust all installed and tuned by Rylan (see first dyno sheet). While this was good, I still felt a need for more low end grunt. This was accomplished by utilizing the UD Pulley, but the down side was the RPM's staying up constantly if I remember correctly about 200-300 rpm's. This was nice in one aspect as I could now shift into 6th gear at 70mph without lugging the engine but didn't like keeping those rev's up constantly. I finally bit the proverbial bullet and had the big bore kit done (again by Rylan) deleting the UD pulley now that I have the low end I've wanted (see dyno sheet #2).

 

[Meisen]

Nice!!!
@badtoejam , I have the same as you almost
Putting my cats back on now and a new clutch so hopefully this will work better👍

 

[Chattanooga_Mark]

@badtoejam, what aftermarket mufflers are you running? Your dyno graph looks awesome!

 

[slickvic]

I liked the UD pulley for just that reason.... Let me first say I had been running VM1-DR cams, a Lloydz filter, a PCV5 tuner, and an aftermarket exhaust all installed and tuned by Rylan (see first dyno sheet). While this was good, I still felt a need for more low end grunt. This was accomplished by utilizing the UD Pulley, but the down side was the RPM's staying up constantly if I remember correctly about 200-300 rpm's. This was nice in one aspect as I could now shift into 6th gear at 70mph without lugging the engine but didn't like keeping those rev's up constantly. I finally bit the proverbial bullet and had the big bore kit done (again by Rylan) deleting the UD pulley now that I have the low end I've wanted (see dyno sheet #2).

View attachment 638818 Respectful numbers.









Rylans Dyno was always conservative proving that numbers mean squat. Your graph prior to Big bore shows it. We have similar mods yet my graph shows 115/115 for the sale of round numbers. Done by Kyle from KMC performance.

 

[Bikesofbrads]

I think Rylan’s dyno numbers are conservative too (well least pre aug 2020 )noticed that while researching for my upgrades and is a reminder not to get hung up on the numbers. They will change from day to day & from dyno to dyno, it really is all about the ride ability! I love my bike in its current form but those extra 20 hp/ tq from a big bore would help a lot when fully loaded and needing to pass traffic, from a stop and climbing a long, steep hill or for breaking loose constipation

 

[slickvic]

I think Rylan’s dyno numbers are conservative too, I noticed that while researching for my upgrades and is a reminder not to get hung up on the numbers. The will change from day one o day & from dyno to dyno, it really is all about the ride ability! I love my bike in its current form but those extra 20 hp/ tq from a big bore would help a lot when fully loaded and needing to pass traffic or from a stop and climbing a long, steep hill.

With great power comes great responsibility. BB is a great alternative to supercharging or turbo charging. I like the reliability of natural aspirated motors. With more power even a big bore you will need to strengthen the clutch and follows new start up procedure. Let the motor warm. Especially 1st start of the day. If this is your cup of tea then ride baby ride.

 

[badtoejam]

Current mufflers are Vance & Hines, a bit loud after a while. May finally try the tri-ovals I got from Leaders RPM a while back. Also running Lloydz clutch.