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I didn't know Victory had this made...

Discussion in 'Victory General Discussion' started by KeepRidin!, Nov 28, 2020.

  1. KeepRidin!

    KeepRidin! Well-Known Member

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    I saw this at a motorcycle dealer today. I always thought that there was just the 20W-40 Victory oil, didn't know they had this too. 15W-60, seems like it would be really thick. Does anyone in here use this stuff?
     
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    That oil was produced for the Victory Octane. With that said, the newer owners manuals for the cross and vision bikes stated you could run this oil as well. I personally haven't heard of anyone doing so.
     
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    wouldnt do any harm...except to the hip pocket...Vic oil is overpriced for what it is....
     
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    I’ve heard alotta talk about Spectro being a good alternative, @slickvic is starting 2 haunt my oily dreams haha
     
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  5. slickvic

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    Your starting to worry me. That’s not a good pic in my mind lol.
     
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    Hey that’s ur own fault, I never said to “picture this” lol
     
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    that was for the Octane ONLY ..... DO NOT USE IT IN THE 92/100/106 Engines!!!
     
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    Another oil warning! Love it!
     
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    Indian Scout came from the Victory Octane. Revs to 8300rpms so it needs this heaver oil.
     
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  10. John G

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    I really wouldn’t go with a higher viscosity oil. The reasons: You don’t know what the clearances set inside the engine were designed for as far as oil viscosity. They may be just fine with a heavier oil, but maybe not? I wouldn’t screw with it, particularly because I don’t see the benefit of it.

    Back in the day when I worked on round aircraft engines, Pratt and Whitney R1830, 1340 etc, they used W120 which was a 60 weight oil. Single grade. The oil was so thick that when you shut down in winter, you had to use the oil dilution system to introduce gasoline into the oil system to thin it out before shut down. Otherwise you wouldn’t get it started.

    The reason for the thick oil was the massive clearances inside the engine, and the wide operating range, from the South Pole to the African continent. However, when Phillips introduced the first multi weight aircraft oil, which was 20w60, they used a Pratt and Whitney to do all the testing. The end result was that the multi weight oil provided less wear than the straight 60 weight. No surprise.

    When you think about it though, what is the benefit of a higher viscosity oil in a Vic when it’s hot? None that I can see. You want the oil to circulate fast and cool through the cooler to keep internal operating temps down to where they were designed to be.

    The biggest advantage I can see for an air cooled engine, whether it be aircraft of motorcycle, ATV or whatever is to use either a synthetic or semi synthetic oil. I don’t feel that the brand is important, although everyone has their faves, and that’s cool. Some exotic oils have additives that may or may not help engines. But to me, it’’s all about consistency.

    The biggest help on any aircooled engine is to let it warm up proparely before taking off, and staying off the throttle until she is fully up to temp. Then you can do what you like with it without fear of wrecking it.

    The Victory short skirt pistons are great for reducing mass and inertia, but they are prone to rocking side ways in the bore when the engine is cold. Hence the requirement in the manual to let it warm up at idle for a minute minimum before taking off cold. Vics aren’t the only engines with short skirts,and there are lots of others that have a them.

    It’s worse in an aircooled engine as the internal clearances, piston to bore, ring gap, connecting rod pins, bearings etc have to be a little larger because the engine runs hotter than a liquid cooled motor.

    So, in my humble opinon, don’t screw around with a heavier weight oil. Just saying.

    Cheers
     
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    I've run 20w50 in mine for over 30k miles with no issues.
    Slightly thicker oil keeps the gear wear to a minimum.
     
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  12. John G

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    If it works for you, that’s good. I’ll just keep to the recommended weight. Remember though, that increased viscosity won’t necessarily protect the gears. It’s the additives that help the oil cling to the gears that reduce wear. Personally, going up 10 to a 50 wouldn’t be a big deal. Going to a 60 wt might not ever make a difference either, unless you are racing and putting on extreme stresses. Back in the 70’s they used to claim that multi weight oils never came up to their rated viscosity at temp, but I think that was tribal knowledge too.
     
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    Oil has come a long way. From aftermarket oil additive products for added protection to spray lubes and greases. Now car finishes like ceramic and polymer coatings. Some good some hype. Find what works for the masses sharing the same platform and I generally tend to go in that direction.
     
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    Respect! That must have been very interesting work. Had I not landed in the technology field I had a sense that I would enjoy this career as well.
     
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