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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by crosscountryla, Feb 1, 2017.

  1. iabob

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    Just an opinion, but I don’t think it can be called a fad. The modern ADV bike isn’t all that far off from Enduro bikes that have been around about as long as dirt bikes. As a market segment it has probably been the longest sustained growth of any other type of motorcycle. If any part of the larger motorcycle market can be labeled a fad, it’s probably the heavy American V-twin cruiser. If fads can last 30-40 years. If we go back to the 70’s-80’s, Harley was basically dead. Then in the 90’s, growth economy, a lot of new wealth, dressing up like a 1%er and riding a Harley became cool. 90’s through 2010’s the American v-twin market exploded. It seems to be cooling off now so fad, but long term fad?

    ADV bikes on the other hand, huge growth for at least the last decade. Sustainable or will it fade like v-twins? No clue, probably won’t know for another decade or two.

    On a slightly related note, I never understood why Harley, and the Harley wannabes at Polaris, insisted on being only a heavy cruiser company. When I look at BMW, Ducati, Honda, and pretty much all other brands...lots of different types of bikes. I kinda get that Harley was unfortunately painted into a corner for a long time, but Polaris? C’mon! Victory should have had starter bikes, dirt bikes, ADV bikes, sport bikes....I see no reason why Victory couldn’t compete in all markets. At least Harley is trying to get out of that corner.
     
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    I know with Harley it's about the money. The Street bikes were loss leaders. Polaris is only making a 5% margin on Indians right now according to their quarterly reports so if they came out with an American assembled small bike it would surprise me.
     
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    @slickvic Man I wish I knew, Slick. Yer probably gonna have to take one to a shop/parts store and match it up. Start a new thread, dude. Maybe someone knows. I know I would like to know!
     
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    This kinda segways into why I think they choked a huge opportunity with Victory. Polaris has had international suppliers including engines for basically its entire existence. Would anyone have said boo about 125, 250, 450 cc dirt bikes made with outsourced engines under the Victory banner? I think it’s a harder sell under Indian so agree there, must adhere to heritage at all costs to appease the Harley die hard. But with Victory they had a clean slate. We coulda had our Vic’s, and outsourced Rebel-esque starter bikes, a dirt line, an ADV line...they could have branched out in many profitable ways and with a Victory badge on it it wouldn’t be considered blasphemy to the heritage of the brand.
     
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    I was actually talking more about the “fad” of an Adv by Harley. IMO it’s going to go the same as the VRod and the Buell.
     
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    Agree 100%! Victory didn't have that heritage baggege to deal with. And Indian doesn't to an extent. Adam Sandvol thinks there's no market for the Pan America because he doesn't like ir
     
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    So it's going to be around for 17 years about as long as Victories ?
     
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    No but may be able to get part # & cross reference it, I’ve heard Llyod comment it was a common part but not which one. Good luck holmie
    Back 2 the PA, the manufactures make what people will buy so as it is it will be. I noticed is a new bike made for every flavor, ie, dual sport, classics, cafe’s, moto x, super moto, adv, even 30’s-50’s style, with 8 billion people on the planet is an a$$ for every seat plus everyone knows fads never die they just become retro & vintage
     
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    Gotcha. And agree. But maybe...One thing I see that separates the PanAm from the V-Rod is with the V-Rod they tried to sell a high revving water cooled engine to Harley Guy. With PanAm I don’t think they’re trying to convince the Harley faithful to try something new, they’re trying to convince a new market to try a Harley. I also think Buell got micro managed by corporates in suits who constrained him with uncompetitive motors for too many years. I admit though, I wasn’t around much, didn’t pay much attention to Buell’s so don’t really know why that didn’t succeed.
     
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    I have the same hypothesis, get some of the other brands faithfuls to switch to HD, is tons of folks that ride street & dirt like myself. Dirt bike guys like the adv because the seating position is familiar so they are comfortable & more confident.
     
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    Yup, similar thinking here. May be short-sighted of me or just thinking things won’t change, but find it hard to believe that HD will convert folks or even bring in new with an adventure bike. We shall see.
     
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    Yeah I don’t have confidence in HD being up to the task. And of course I’ve been wrong many times, but I’m thinking HD doesn’t live long if they stay a one trick pony. Mind you, that doesn’t mean American V-twins die. I think if (huge if) Harley manages to grow itself into a diversified motorcycle company, then the traditional bikes will be #1 in their showrooms for a much longer time. Probably much longer than if that’s all they have to sell.
     
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