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I agree with the last couple of posts: I never left Houston when a hurricane was forecast either, for several reasons, but mostly my job requrired that I stay anyway. I also agree that the tracking was often off. And yes, electrics like the Tesla have great range, plus when you are sitting in a traffic jam they are using very little energy to run the systems.

Natural gas still pollutes, but not as much as hydrocarbon fuels. It’s a really viable interim energy source however. The reason it’s not used more than it is , is because of the lack of pipelines, diffulcties in transportation, and historical issues with everything from the FERC to government, and suppliers. The various states were burned multiple times with a lack of supply that they thought was guaranteed. Nobody wants a pipeline, but it’s the safest way to transport hydrocarbons of any sort. Moving it by rail, road, etc is risky. Transportation by ship is viable but it requires facilities to liquify it, load it and then unload it and process at the other end.

In New Zealand, where I’m from, gasoline became so expensive that many folks turned to LPG to power their cars. You lost a bit of performance, but the engines ran cleaner and much longer between overhauls. Once the price of LPG went up to match gasoline, then many decided it wasn’t worth it. T/hat was a supply and demand issue though, not the fault of the gas itself or performance. The difference between LPG and natural gas for vehicles is you have a much lower pressure tank. W/here the Natural Gas powered vehicles have a 3,000 psi tank in the back. OK until you have an accident.
 

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Electric vehicles are not a problem at all. I have a Walmart with a super charging area. I have never seen more than 2 cars there at one time. Infrastructure for electric and battery technology will grow with the numbers of cars made and bought.

Similar arguments were made against cars in general. Where do you get gas or diesel, you can't leave the city. My horses run on grass and can walk around rocks and holes in the road.

If I was younger I would have a Tesla S in the garage just for fun.

I think the future will also involve solar recharging on all the surface areas. Drive the car to work, leave it parked all day, come outside and its charged. or have the solar panels constantly charging a second battery as you drive. Run 300 miles on the big battery and have another 100 miles in the little one.

Then again, I think spent or low yield nuclear is the way to go. Internal combustion engines will be over in a hundred years.
 

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I have a boggling question. Most cars I notice sit in a parking lot open to the sun. Their work locations. Parked all day. Stores, shopping malls. Even many that street park or park in their driveways. Not specifically in a garage or under cover.

Anyway why don't battery cars have solar panels on them? Cost? Wouldn't it make sense?
 

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Not going to contribute to much to the debate other than to say it's remarkable how many people are suddenly eco warriors about old EV batteries, but never gave a second thought about the mountains of old tyres we generate...
@Alonso_Ape ....Batteries don't make smooth roads:cool018:
 

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I have a boggling question. Most cars I notice sit in a parking lot open to the sun. Their work locations. Parked all day. Stores, shopping malls. Even many that street park or park in their driveways. Not specifically in a garage or under cover.

Anyway why don't battery cars have solar panels on them? Cost? Wouldn't it make sense?
Insurance cost would go way up. Hail damage to the panels and broken panels in accidents. Also theft to get the panels if off warranty somebody has a dead hood, deck lid etc. Each panel would have to be V.I.N. plated and registered when sold. Or, the panels would have to be married to a computer in the car to work with a unique number. Kinda like key coding. Just look at the value of Catalytic converters and the the theft problems.
 

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Insurance cost would go way up. Hail damage to the panels and broken panels in accidents. Also theft to get the panels if off warranty somebody has a dead hood, deck lid etc. Each panel would have to be V.I.N. plated and registered when sold. Or, the panels would have to be married to a computer in the car to work with a unique number. Kinda like key coding. Just look at the value of Catalytic converters and the the theft problems.
I think they'd integrate the panels into the cars so no need to have a separate vin, etc. If Elon can make roofing tiles that withstand hail, rain, snow, etc, they can do it for cars too.

I do wonder though how much charge you could get from that few of panels. Would it be enough to run the car? For how long? Maybe as a "reserve tank" that keeps a separate battery charged if needed? Thinking it might be similar to how some use the panels on their RVs and 5th Wheels. Much more real estate on those though.
 

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Solar on a regular car roof isn't enough to propel it. BUT it would be a trickle charge. Say maybe you get 1% charge per day. If your car was parked at the airport for ten days, that's a handy amount for just sitting there not even plugged into anything. With your IC car in the same situation I don't think anyone is going to be kind enough to throw a gallon of gas into the tank while you're away :biggrin:
 

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We've got enough oil for the rest of our lives. Why should we give a schit about trying to come up with renewable sources of energy for the next generations, Right?
You do know the first internal combustion engine (ICE) ran on hydrogen and many of the first cars were electric don't you? Hate to break it to you, but AOC hasn't really had an original thought. The tech will evolve as needed as it always has and yes Virginia, electric is more efficient.

What is that you say, Porsche has developed a process of using Hydrogen with extracted CO2 from the atmosphere to create gasoline that will produce an exhaust cleaner than the air that entered the engine in many places?

But, but, it doesn't fit the plan of the current carbon taxation and division of wealth and the socialist dreams of Global Domination…
 

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You do know the first internal combustion engine (ICE) ran on hydrogen and many of the first cars were electric don't you? Hate to break it to you, but AOC hasn't really had an original thought. The tech will evolve as needed as it always has and yes Virginia, electric is more efficient.

What is that you say, Porsche has developed a process of using Hydrogen with extracted CO2 from the atmosphere to create gasoline that will produce an exhaust cleaner than the air that entered the engine in many places?

But, but, it doesn't fit the plan of the current carbon taxation and division of wealth and the socialist dreams of Global Domination…
So all these mega rich corporations and individuals who are pushing new tech to try and reduce carbon emissions are socialist conspiracists? Say that it out load and tell me that doesn't sound paranoid...
 

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So all these mega rich corporations and individuals who are pushing new tech to try and reduce carbon emissions are socialist conspiracists? Say that it out load and tell me that doesn't sound paranoid...
Oh quite contraire, I am referring to the Gooberment interference with those that have the latitude and finance to do. As you totally missed the point. It is the Industrial power house that will create the science and the fools at the DC Swamp-Rat Nest will only cause more issues as their greed overrides their knowledge base…

Let Capitalism run with the better mousetrap approach continue minus the moral BS from ignorant politicians. You see the problem truly is population growth as it impacts the Planet and I have known that since 7th grade…
 

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I would LOVE to have a china made electric car (so i can fix it or soup it up), those Tesla's are just to complicated just to do arrons and school runs, but whatever you guys pay in the US or OZ for cars & motorcycles, we pay double of that .... 125-150 % tax
 

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Oh quite contraire, I am referring to the Gooberment interference with those that have the latitude and finance to do. As you totally missed the point. It is the Industrial power house that will create the science and the fools at the DC Swamp-Rat Nest will only cause more issues as their greed overrides their knowledge base…

Let Capitalism run with the better mousetrap approach continue minus the moral BS from ignorant politicians. You see the problem truly is population growth as it impacts the Planet and I have known that since 7th grade…
Oh I see. I don't totally disagree, but without some sort of guidance, corporations won't do anything they don't have to. They don't have a moral conscience. I read somewhere that if you took all the attributes of a corporation as if it were a single person, they always show as being a psychopath.
 

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Oh I see. I don't totally disagree, but without some sort of guidance, corporations won't do anything they don't have to. They don't have a moral conscience. I read somewhere that if you took all the attributes of a corporation as if it were a single person, they always show as being a psychopath.
However, the behavior of the Government doesn't bode any confidence at this time…
 

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Not going to contribute to much to the debate other than to say it's remarkable how many people are suddenly eco warriors about old EV batteries, but never gave a second thought about the mountains of old tyres we generate...
And will continue to generate, no matter what's turning the wheels. You can only use a few of them in a lifetime of resoling your boots.
 

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And will continue to generate, no matter what's turning the wheels. You can only use a few of them in a lifetime of resoling your boots.
Yes. Like I say, all the conservative talk show hosts etc never cared one iota about tyre mountains burnng out of control, but now all of a sudden they care about how to dispose of batteries...
 

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Yes. Like I say, all the conservative talk show hosts etc never cared one iota about tyre mountains burnng out of control, but now all of a sudden they care about how to dispose of batteries...
Went to a bush fire brigade call out once where a bloke had stabilised an embankment close to the front of his house by laying up hundreds of truck tyres and back filling them with dirt. We pumped the whole contents of his swimming pool mixed with all the foam we were carrying, then all the dishwashing and laundry detergent in the house onto it without putting it out. Managed to contain it within a burnt area and saved the house. It took him a couple of days work with a front end loader to slow it down appreciably but the ground was still hot and giving off poisonous smoke a week later.
Like the coal seam in the Hunter Valley that's been burning for several thousand years, Burning Mountain.
In my 20 years of solar powered off grid living, I always used old tech lead acid batteries, 95% recyclable, long lasting if sized right, I had 3 days reserve of power stored. In my last year at Obi, I only had to run the small backup generator at its monthly start up and check. (and the E10 fuel stayed useable in the tank all year).
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OK, lead acid batteries are not suitable for grid scale storage, but in Oz, if you can't live off grid in a stand alone dwelling with a modestly sized PV system, you either have a poorly designed and built house, or an insanely oversized one, or energy consumption habits like the chemical intake of a coke addict.
In Oz, our power station operators, mostly not governments, are looking at retiring coal fired stations decades earlier than previously planned, for sound financial reasons, and building wind and solar farms with big batteries with big synchronous inverters for both storage and voltage and phase regulation.
This year in spring, entire states were running on 100% renewable energy for part of the days, and solar overproduction is a problem.
EVs on charge are being regarded as part of the supply stabilisation solution.
@lou8700, your solar carport is a good idea, an EV, + PV panels over 30 square metres of your roof and you'll never buy juice again for a 1 hour commuting journey. Several times a year your power bill will be slightly higher. This is if you live in a humanly habitable part of the world, not real sure for you Canadians or upper Michigan residents. :)
 

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Fully agree on lead acid for houses. Practically the whole battery is recyclable including the acid and weight and volume is not critical, AND they are a fraction of the cost of fancy batteries.

Just in case some guys aren't familiar with it, this is what you can do with lead acid batteries

What was it? A 70's Datsun at a guess?
I shoulda kept my 71 Datsun 1 tonne ute for a bit longer and thought about a conversion
 
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