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  1. 1stVictory

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  3. John G

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    Ah, I’ll bite: Thing is this. There is only a finite amount of oil left int he world, and although we are good at getting every last drop now, we will run out, and not too far away. Despite what the news and politicians say. How do I know this? I worked for an oil company, or actually two of them for many years in Corporate aviation. So, we NEED oil in our lives. People don’t realize that oil and oil products are used in everything we do, from crating alternative energy, to washing our hair, or working around the house. Chemicals from hydrocarbons are in about everything.

    We need alternative energy to provide things for our everyday life, and help extend the reserves of oil we actually have. Sounds stupid? It’s not.

    As far as the discussion on electric vehicles failing in traffic jams: I lived in Houston for 18 years, and when a hurricane would threaten us, the freeways out of town would be jammed with gas powered vehicles that had run out of gas, died because of idling in traffic, or other mechanical reasons. It’s also not true that electric vehicles don’t work well providing AC, and other services that a gas powered vehicle provide. I own a hybrid. It’s has a tiny battery compared to the all electric vehicles, but I can assure you that even with the hybrid battery, which powers everything apart from basic essential services, it will keep things running a long time. I have proven this while being stuck in traffic jams, It also uses the hybrid electric system to power the car rather than running the engine, until the battery gets depleted. All in all, its still using less gas than the gas powered cars use. So fuel consumption is minimal. My car has a heat pump to provide warmth until the engine is up to temp, or when stuck in traffic, until the battery voltage drops enough that it starts the engine. The AC system is as effective as any I’ve ever had in any other vehicle.

    Bear in mind that electric vehicles are much more efficient than my hybrid.

    I love my gas powered toys. I hope I never have to do away with them, So I do a lot to try to minimize my effect on the environment by having a hybrid as one of my vehicles, and I have a solar power system to help power my house. It was a considerable investment. T/hat said, It’s just about paid for itself in 6 years of operation. While it’s saved considerable resources, a record of which is supplied by the software that drives the recording part of the system, it also required quite a bit of energy and hydrocarbon products to manufacture the panels, mounts, inverters and cables that make it all run.

    Electricity is our future. With that said, Elon Musk told the government that if we switch to electric vehicles in the US, we will need twice the power generating capacity we have now. W/here will that come from? Will it pollute? If so how much? There’s a huge discussion that has to be had about that too.

    Thanks for starting the conversation. it’s important to have it. I don’t want an electric motorbike. But, if that’s the only option, it will be better than sitting at home on the couch, reminiscing about the old days. Plus, I’ll just convert my Victory to alcohol, and build a still!

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    First of all Most cars are Hybrids that require no Charging second Tesla's and other pure Electric Commuter cars have a range over 150 miles far beyond any evacuation Order I have ever seen usually they just want you to move away from the coast into a hardened structure and typically I don't go anywhere because they get the storm track wrong. Bottomline what? another Solution Generator in the Trunk or Civil Defence setting up Emergency Charging Stations Via Generators
     
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    Everyone focuses on oil, but there is another resource that we have in abundance but are not using to it's full potential. And if pollution is a concern , then this resource also address that in a big way. Natural Gas. There remains only one real hurdle in order to better utilize NG, and that is the transportation of same in other than pipelines. Yes, it can be liquified, but that has special challenges. But it could be better.
     
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    I agree with the last couple of posts: I never left Houston when a hurricane was forecast either, for several reasons, but mostly my job requrired that I stay anyway. I also agree that the tracking was often off. And yes, electrics like the Tesla have great range, plus when you are sitting in a traffic jam they are using very little energy to run the systems.

    Natural gas still pollutes, but not as much as hydrocarbon fuels. It’s a really viable interim energy source however. The reason it’s not used more than it is , is because of the lack of pipelines, diffulcties in transportation, and historical issues with everything from the FERC to government, and suppliers. The various states were burned multiple times with a lack of supply that they thought was guaranteed. Nobody wants a pipeline, but it’s the safest way to transport hydrocarbons of any sort. Moving it by rail, road, etc is risky. Transportation by ship is viable but it requires facilities to liquify it, load it and then unload it and process at the other end.

    In New Zealand, where I’m from, gasoline became so expensive that many folks turned to LPG to power their cars. You lost a bit of performance, but the engines ran cleaner and much longer between overhauls. Once the price of LPG went up to match gasoline, then many decided it wasn’t worth it. T/hat was a supply and demand issue though, not the fault of the gas itself or performance. The difference between LPG and natural gas for vehicles is you have a much lower pressure tank. W/here the Natural Gas powered vehicles have a 3,000 psi tank in the back. OK until you have an accident.
     
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    Electric vehicles are not a problem at all. I have a Walmart with a super charging area. I have never seen more than 2 cars there at one time. Infrastructure for electric and battery technology will grow with the numbers of cars made and bought.

    Similar arguments were made against cars in general. Where do you get gas or diesel, you can't leave the city. My horses run on grass and can walk around rocks and holes in the road.

    If I was younger I would have a Tesla S in the garage just for fun.

    I think the future will also involve solar recharging on all the surface areas. Drive the car to work, leave it parked all day, come outside and its charged. or have the solar panels constantly charging a second battery as you drive. Run 300 miles on the big battery and have another 100 miles in the little one.

    Then again, I think spent or low yield nuclear is the way to go. Internal combustion engines will be over in a hundred years.
     
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    I have a boggling question. Most cars I notice sit in a parking lot open to the sun. Their work locations. Parked all day. Stores, shopping malls. Even many that street park or park in their driveways. Not specifically in a garage or under cover.

    Anyway why don't battery cars have solar panels on them? Cost? Wouldn't it make sense?
     
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    Not going to contribute to much to the debate other than to say it's remarkable how many people are suddenly eco warriors about old EV batteries, but never gave a second thought about the mountains of old tyres we generate...
     
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    @Alonso_Ape ....Batteries don't make smooth roads:cool018:
     
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    Insurance cost would go way up. Hail damage to the panels and broken panels in accidents. Also theft to get the panels if off warranty somebody has a dead hood, deck lid etc. Each panel would have to be V.I.N. plated and registered when sold. Or, the panels would have to be married to a computer in the car to work with a unique number. Kinda like key coding. Just look at the value of Catalytic converters and the the theft problems.
     
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    I think they’d integrate the panels into the cars so no need to have a separate vin, etc. If Elon can make roofing tiles that withstand hail, rain, snow, etc, they can do it for cars too.

    I do wonder though how much charge you could get from that few of panels. Would it be enough to run the car? For how long? Maybe as a “reserve tank” that keeps a separate battery charged if needed? Thinking it might be similar to how some use the panels on their RVs and 5th Wheels. Much more real estate on those though.
     
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    Solar on a regular car roof isn't enough to propel it. BUT it would be a trickle charge. Say maybe you get 1% charge per day. If your car was parked at the airport for ten days, that's a handy amount for just sitting there not even plugged into anything. With your IC car in the same situation I don't think anyone is going to be kind enough to throw a gallon of gas into the tank while you're away :biggrin:
     
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    How about solar carports?
     
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    You do know the first internal combustion engine (ICE) ran on hydrogen and many of the first cars were electric don’t you? Hate to break it to you, but AOC hasn’t really had an original thought. The tech will evolve as needed as it always has and yes Virginia, electric is more efficient.

    What is that you say, Porsche has developed a process of using Hydrogen with extracted CO2 from the atmosphere to create gasoline that will produce an exhaust cleaner than the air that entered the engine in many places?

    But, but, it doesn’t fit the plan of the current carbon taxation and division of wealth and the socialist dreams of Global Domination…
     
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