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I’ve decided to try a set in the magnumx1. Miy signature shows the mods that most here already know of. Why ??? You say ??? Because it was time for plugs since these are the originals and since there were a new set up for grabs with free next day shipping. Model E36. Let you know how the days ride turns out.
 

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All the posts I've read about them on motorcycle forums it is just a marketing gimmick and waste of money. I don't think they are any worse than a normal plug but no real benefit.
 
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My issue is that electricity passes the least resistance route. With multiple electrodes only one is going to cause the spark to arc not all three.
 

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Our bikes do NOT have knock sensors. Your bikes are performance tuned with the OEM plugs. The E3 plugs are known to induce pinging .

Personal experience with E3 went like this. I picked them up for my Kawasaki powered lawnmowers when I couldn't find the NGKs locally.

Initial startup was great but they were short lived. Inside a month they had to go, mowers became hard to start cold and nearly impossible hot. Still running the same NGKs that I replaced the E3s with almost 2 years ago.
 

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From the riding I did I can say start up was quick to fire. Power was good at the throttle but not enough to show a difference. My NGKs were done so these were a try. One thing I did notice was a bit more decel popping ? Also a pop at start ups ? Wondering if these are giving more or less of a complete burn ?

As far as mechanics like Danny or Lloydz or anyone protecting a reputation……. You won’t find them recommending anything other than what is recommended from the manufacturer. It’s a CYA thing and it’s a smart practice.
 

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The thing with spark plugs is it’s kinda like tires. You put a brand new set on and it’s WAY better than the old won out ones. Add a thousand miles of being inside a combustion chamber and the new plugs tend to be just like the old plugs. As long as the fuel gets ignited…they’re doing their job. Another way to think of it is like intake and cams. We have mountains of evidence that aftermarket intakes and cams add power so everybody’s onboard. It would be so incredibly easy to gain mountains of evidence from a 30 dollar spark plug upgrade if they actually outperformed the stockers. Lloyd, Rylan, Scott, Kevin, all would have been telling us for years now to ditch our stock plugs and gain 3 or 4 hp with a spark plug upgrade, if it was there to be had.
 

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The thing with spark plugs is it's kinda like tires. You put a brand new set on and it's WAY better than the old won out ones. Add a thousand miles of being inside a combustion chamber and the new plugs tend to be just like the old plugs. As long as the fuel gets ignited…they're doing their job. Another way to think of it is like intake and cams. We have mountains of evidence that aftermarket intakes and cams add power so everybody's onboard. It would be so incredibly easy to gain mountains of evidence from a 30 dollar spark plug upgrade if they actually outperformed the stockers. Lloyd, Rylan, Scott, Kevin, all would have been telling us for years now to ditch our stock plugs and gain 3 or 4 hp with a spark plug upgrade, if it was there to be had.
I totally agree. In no way did I start this thread stating that I expected a difference. I saw them up for sale and I grabbed them. More of a curiosity thing. I get the design and understand the engineering but in my opinion I see no reason to buy them. Maybe they work better with a performance ignition system? One thing I did Like Was the fact that I did not have to gap them or check the gap.
 
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Some sparkplug tech...
Looks like the E3 and the Pulstar seemed to perform the best in the project farm video. Funny.
Not enough in my opinion to fork out twice as much money for a spark plug. My interest is in how long the E3 plugs last. The cost for the time of operation isn't enough to make me never buy them again. If you compare this to something like let's say …… hmmmm…… what can we compare to ……. Ok that's it ……… oil !
Compare the bargain of Rotella vs Spectro …… a measurable cost difference. They both perform their jobs of lubricating and protecting the engine. One may do it better than the other for a longer period of time. So it depends on what you like and what you believe is the best product for you. I could stand behind Spectro all day as the best product for our bikes. I can't stand behind E3 the way I do Spectro though.
 
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Here is the funny part on my "opinion" as I just had to replace 12 in a Porsche flat six running two distributors with 2 plugs per cylinder. That said these were the least expensive and copper core. A lot of reference to oil with zinc in it reacting to precious metals like iridium and platinum and temp variation. But I may consider platinum next time anyway if the same three prong configuration.

The point here is the air cool engine was designed decades ago and the below is the OEM and I had to change my mind about the gimmick view. They are Bosch copper-core with the three prong. I don't use E3 and had one in a chainsaw for a bit as it provides an alternate path for spark if fouling. Just didn't hang it that application and went back to NGK...

As to why Porsche was using two per cylinder, complete burn for EPA stuff and redundancy kinda. No power increase claimed.

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Just FYI, from the air-cool in an airplane has two types the normal priced mass electrodes and the expensive fine wire... Here to is a lead interaction thing, though I have never seen it. I would rather just change out more often with the mass ones at two per cylinder for safety reasons there...
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The thing with spark plugs is it's kinda like tires. You put a brand new set on and it's WAY better than the old won out ones. Add a thousand miles of being inside a combustion chamber and the new plugs tend to be just like the old plugs. As long as the fuel gets ignited…they're doing their job. Another way to think of it is like intake and cams. We have mountains of evidence that aftermarket intakes and cams add power so everybody's onboard. It would be so incredibly easy to gain mountains of evidence from a 30 dollar spark plug upgrade if they actually outperformed the stockers. Lloyd, Rylan, Scott, Kevin, all would have been telling us for years now to ditch our stock plugs and gain 3 or 4 hp with a spark plug upgrade, if it was there to be had.
All true. I don't buy spark plugs for performance regarding horse power. That's where an ignition system would come in. Then again my mostly stock motor doesn't need it. The stock system with NGK stock plugs is more than adequate. A big bore with power adder ? That changes everything. Now we plan for only the best components. After all your spending the money right ? so these E3 plugs were $3.99 each on Amazon. Copper core and the model is E36. I think I pay around $6 to $7 at autozone for my NGKs. So why not. They work and they're finally priced right with free next day shipping !!!!
 
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Looks like the E3 and the Pulstar seemed to perform the best in the project farm video. Funny.
Not enough in my opinion to fork out twice as much money for a spark plug. My interest is in how long the E3 plugs last. The cost for the time of operation isn't enough to make me never buy them again. If you compare this to something like let's say …… hmmmm…… what can we compare to ……. Ok that's it ……… oil !
Compare the bargain of Rotella vs Spectro …… a measurable cost difference. They both perform their jobs of lubricating and protecting the engine. One may do it better than the other for a longer period of time. So it depends on what you like and what you believe is the best product for you. I could stand behind Spectro all day as the best product for our bikes. I can't stand behind E3 the way I do Spectro though.
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All true. I don't buy spark plugs for performance regarding horse power. That's where an ignition system would come in. Then again my mostly stock motor doesn't need it. The stock system with NGK stock plugs is more than adequate. A big bore with power adder ? That changes everything. Now we plan for only the best components. After all your spending the money right ? so these E3 plugs were $3.99 each on Amazon. Copper core and the model is E36. I think I pay around $6 to $7 at autozone for my NGKs. So why not. They work and they're finally priced right with free next day shipping !!!!
I've seen dyno tuners having issues, pull the E3's and throw them into file 13. Then replace them with stock NGK's, that was enough for me.
 

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Ol slick's bike was tuned buy Kyle. Kyle was known to be aggressive with timing. So any change from the stock plugs that it was tuned with, be it E3 or some unattainium core plug can cause drivability issues such as pinging.
 
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