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Dunlop Elite 4, Avon Cobra or Metzler ME 888 Marathon for cornering

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  1. BigPoppa

    BigPoppa New Member

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    Hi All,

    I plan on taking my CCT to a cornering class in a month or so and I'm wondering if any of you have any experience with hard cornering across various tires.

    The class will be on a small low speed track (I don't anticipate getting past 3rd and will probably spend most of the class in 2nd).

    If there are stickier options than the Elite 4's, I'm willing to have a new set installed for the class (saving my current tires to put back on afterwards) but only if there's a significant traction difference with another brand.

    Thanks in advance for any insights...
     
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    Having had the elite 4's, Avon Cobra's and Metzler 888's on my XR before I would say the Avon's are the stickyest and wear out the fast, 9,000 miles. The 888 is stickier than the elite 4 but don't know how many miles I will get out of it yet, just got them. The elite 4's stick pretty good and lasted 12,000 miles. If you get the 888's they make 2 versions of the rear, a 74h and a HD 80h.
     
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    Avon Cobra's are what you want for sure.
     
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    2013 CCT 47,000 miles currently running E4's.
    I'm pretty aggressive & like scraping parts.
    The E4's have not let loose except one time in loose wet dirt that had washed into the road, that was fun.
     
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    2015 CCT 43K miles and on my second set of Michelin Commanders II.
    I tend to ride aggressive like the few above and I prefer these more than the Dunlops. They have only slipped out underneath me once and that was partial wet concrete and I was going a little to fast (Kept from wrecking the bike but not my undershorts).

    The commanders are bias ply and you have to go a little taller (180/65B16), but you get more of a load rating from them without sacrificing speed rating. I got 11K out of the first one I put on and I'm sitting at 10k on the second one and only replacing cause I don't think it will make my trip which would be another 5K.
     
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    @BigPoppa maybe you should take the class on the tires you'll be riding. The track should provide better than average grip available on the street regardless of tire.

    A tire that I wouldn't run at a track day is the E3.


    Call Dunlop and ask for PSI for a track day. I would think that you would want to bump the front up 3-5 lbs. The rear should be good at 40.
     
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    I wouldn't waste my time or money on new tires if you are not getting out of second gear. But if you feel the need to spur the economy along, the Metzlers by far out grip the others.
     
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    My Avon Cobra on the front is cupping and down to wear bar with only 10 thousand on it. The front end skips around on tar snakes and at 80 mph the front end wiggles around.
    When I had a Metzler on the front it went 15 thousand.
    Avon Cobras stick like glue wear like cotton candy
     
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    What pressure did you run to get 15k on which Metzler 888/880?
     
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    This is what I don't get guys on goldwings all claim 12 to 16,000 on Avon cobras none of them bitching about burning them up. That bikes way heavier then cc cct magnums. All raving about sticky ok that's a fact. I don't get it I just picked my magnum up today and had Avon cobras put on cause the oem E3,s suck. I just gauged them at 5/32 rear 4/32 front this Friday I'm leaving for cali somewhere around 6g,s in a 16 day run. I'm gonna give them a shot and see. First thing I noticed was left out of dealer response definitely noticeable difference. But time will tell
     
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    I help teach skill enhancement classes, changing out your tires would be a waste of money as well as defeating the purpose of the class. Take the class with what you are planning to run, don't change anything up if you want to get the most out of a class.
     
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    The Avon Cobras are incredible for handling.....but wear like crap. I just recently switched to a set of Metzeler 888s and I really feel the difference. I'm hoping to get more mileage out of the Metz but even if they do wear much better, I'm seriously considering going back to the Avons.
     
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    @PaiN what kind of miles you getting out of contras and what pressure you run in them
     
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    2013 XC, Avon, 23 in the front 16 in the rear.

    As with any MC tire you will sacrifice millage for handling.

    The stock Dunlops sucked .

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    Thanks everyone for the great feedback so far. Currently waiting to hear back from Dunlop regarding the E4's for a track day before deciding whether or not to install a set of Avons for the class.

    I'm not worried about tire life since I'll go back to the E4's anyway if I do put the Avons for the class.
     

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