[Larrybud]

OK. I know the audience here ( on a Tech page of a bike forum in December ) leans to the " maximize performance " side of things. I have a new to me 2012 CCT which is stock. If I listen to everything I'm told, to have the bike operate in a decent fashion I need:

A Lloydz Timing Wheel
Conquest Underdrive Pully
New Air Filter
New Pipes
PCV - Mapped for my new air system
New Cams ( too many to choose from )
I probably missed something
Then, a trip to Iowa to have every thing installed
Then, a Dyno Tune ( not sure what this does exactly but it will give me my HP & Torque )

So ,were the Polaris engineers incompetent? Did they have to sacrifice decent performance to meet EPA standards? Or, is all of the above making minor modifications to a good bike as is?

Thanks,

LB

 

[PJRo]

tons of reading to go thru regarding your questions .....

in short to answer your questions in the last paragraph ....

no
yes
not really

see post #14 of this recent thread >> https://www.thevog.net/threads/cam-or-just-dyno-tune-it.153667/#post-3049461

Peter

 

[wvrider1]

I have everything on your list but cams. To me, this is how the bike should of run when it left Spirit Lake. The difference between now and stock is night and day. I've rode a cammed bike and another night and day difference. If I were starting fresh, I would go the Maximus route. Do you "need" these upgrades, no. The bike will give you a long happy life without. Do you want these upgrades, hell yea, the fun factor goes WAY up.

 

[VicVisionBulldog]

The bikes are fine stock. I rode my 13 for years bone stock and enjoyed every minute of it. Mainly what those mods are doing is rounding out the power deliver to be nice and smooth while taking care of the EPA choke on the motor. You can certainly ride it stock and you will have no issues.

 

[BP6666VR]

OK. I know the audience here ( on a Tech page of a bike forum in December ) leans to the " maximize performance " side of things. I have a new to me 2012 CCT which is stock. If I listen to everything I'm told, to have the bike operate in a decent fashion I need:

A Lloydz Timing Wheel
Conquest Underdrive Pully
New Air Filter
New Pipes
PCV - Mapped for my new air system
New Cams ( too many to choose from )
I probably missed something
Then, a trip to Iowa to have every thing installed
Then, a Dyno Tune ( not sure what this does exactly but it will give me my HP & Torque )

So ,were the Polaris engineers incompetent? Did they have to sacrifice decent performance to meet EPA standards? Or, is all of the above making minor modifications to a good bike as is?

Thanks,

LB

Stock bikes are fine, if you ask me then i would only do a Underdrive pulley and ride that beast ... Then you can deside whatever you want when you have 6000 miles on her .... take it slow ....

I did 4000 kilometer on my jackpot before i modded it, did it all at once ... On my CCT that i just sold it was bone stock, only unplugged O2 sensors ...

 

[iabob]

OK. I know the audience here ( on a Tech page of a bike forum in December ) leans to the " maximize performance " side of things. I have a new to me 2012 CCT which is stock. If I listen to everything I'm told, to have the bike operate in a decent fashion I need:

A Lloydz Timing Wheel
Conquest Underdrive Pully
New Air Filter
New Pipes
PCV - Mapped for my new air system
New Cams ( too many to choose from )
I probably missed something
Then, a trip to Iowa to have every thing installed
Then, a Dyno Tune ( not sure what this does exactly but it will give me my HP & Torque )

So ,were the Polaris engineers incompetent? Did they have to sacrifice decent performance to meet EPA standards? Or, is all of the above making minor modifications to a good bike as is?

Thanks,

LB

I would say you have a pretty good list. What the dyno tune does is make all the parts work well together. What all these mods do is manipulate (increase) the amount of air going into the cylinders and the timing when the mixture is ignited. Dyno tuning matches the fuel to the air, otherwise all is for nothing, and gets that new mixture fired at just the right time.

So we're the engineersincompetent? Well if they were these mods would make the bike blow up instead of get better right? The fact that we can make so much more power out of this engine makes me think they did a pretty good job. Exactly why it is set up this way with stock missing out on so much power...grant you this is an assumption but it seems to me if you add fuel to go with more air to make more power, that also means more emissions coming out the tailpipe. I think it's a safe bet that epa certification is a major factor in why the stock engine is set up the way it is.

As far if these mods are needed? Nope, not needed at all. I know a woman that put 154,000+ miles on a stock Kingpin and loved every minute before she got sick and passed away. Pretty much all of us thought stock was good enough to buy the bike and most of us rode it that way for sometime before discovering mods. Of course with that in mind, you'll be hard pressed to find any of us who would go back. Once we get more power we tend to really like it.

 

[53canuck]

OP. you have to remember that some of the design of just about any vehicle was and is influenced by the EPA. Performance is stifled in the name of pollution. Also, purchase price is a factor the engineers try to meet. There's not much you can buy whether it be motorcycles, cars, cameras, appliances, whatever, that can't be made a little bit better. For many that's just fine. For some, it's a challenge.

These bikes run just fine the way they are and will give you years of riding pleasure. If you want though whether it be appearance or performance, you can make it just a little bit better. Then a bit more, and then a bit more. You can start and stop wherever YOU feel you've made it yours.

As for mods I think the average person does what they can on their own and starts with the basics. You've done the reading and have the list of possibilities to choose from. If you understand the "why" of each one then you're set to go where you want.

 

[slickvic]

Ok.........My .02 ......
So there are folks who like their bikes, cars, what ever just the way they are. Then there’s us..... I bought my Victory over a Harley and every other bike because of its ease of modification and the cost to do it which is more reasonable than other brands.
I rode my XC for a year before I put my “performance “ package together ala Lloydz !

I chose this for more than just performance which boosted the output to 115hp / 115 tq.
I chose this to make my bike more responsive.
To : handle heavier loads better ( 2 up riding )
To : run cooler ! ( major factor and improvement )
To : run smoother and quieter ( engine noise ) cams
To : have better throttle response and better slow speed control.
To : rev higher ( stop light drags)

And most of all ......... to kick the sh!t out of my HD riding buddies every time we go out !!!!

Now you can do all this or just simply change your oil and use ......
Golden Spectro 20/40 semi synthetic :22yikes:

 

[Half_Crazy]

Learn to differentiate between "NEED" and "WANT"....

Wants can become needs. For instance, if you ride a bike that's say, cammed and tuned, then you get on a bike that's stock, your thoughts would be "This bike is a dog" and if it was yours it would NEED the mods or you would not enjoy the bike.

When I ride stock bikes it feels like both tires are flat, one plug wire is off, and I'm towing a Volkswagen Bug.

Perspective.

 

[wvrider1]

Once we get more power we tend to really like it.

Oh hell yea

 

[wvrider1]

I would make the UD pulley the first upgrade as well. Totally different bike, unless your are a member of the C.B.C and are going to complain you are filling up more often







C.heap B.astards C.lub

 

[PJRo]

Learn to differentiate between "NEED" and "WANT"....

Wants can become needs. For instance, if you ride a bike that's say, cammed and tuned, then you get on a bike that's stock, your thoughts would be "This bike is a dog" and if it was yours it would NEED the mods or you would not enjoy the bike.

When I ride stock bikes it feels like both tires are flat, one plug wire is off, and I'm towing a Volkswagen Bug.

Perspective.

and know that power can become addictive .....

...and you get used to it very quickly....the WANT more.

just ask me , I know.

Peter

 

[slickvic]

and know that power can become addictive .....

...and you get used to it very quickly....the WANT more.

just ask me , I know.

Peter

What you ride Peter is at the threshold of impractical and insane ...... but I love it !!!!

 

[topcat]

When I joined this forum in 2013 a member told me I would not like being here if I was not interested in modding my bike to get more performance from it.
Well, 5 years later and I still enjoy the hell out of this forum.
I am not interested in making my KP any faster than it is. It runs fine for me bone stock, motor wise.
Still there is a ton of information here and for the most part a bunch of great members.

 

[PDXLaserGazer]

Don't let these folks lie to you. The only things you need are air, water, food and shelter. But let's be honest, nobody is here because of anything we "need", we are here because we "want" things. Love, sex, motorcycles, the right oil, the right tires, less wind buffeting, more chrome, less chrome, stupid jokes, witty satires, porn, videos of idiots, videos of geniuses, babies, dogs, cats and Russian dash cams, just to name the important ones.

The question is, what do YOU want?

 

[Tenax66]

OP, I thought you meant the moderators on the forum. Hell no, they are troublemakers like everyone else!

 

[Poseidon]

Take your bike for a ride. Are you happy with the performance? If so, leave it as is and enjoy your bike. If not, see list in the first post of this thread and start the modifications. Then enjoy your bike!

 

[bikendad]

I do a lot of long touring rides, personally I don't want the under-drive pulley. That said, I haven't rode an XC with one. Other than that if I bought a new XC today this is what it would have before I bothered to ride it. Maximus tuner, Big Gonzo's pipes, Lloydz filter, Lloydz VM1-DR cams and a Dyno tune.

 

[VicVisionBulldog]

OP, I thought you meant the moderators on the forum. Hell no, they are troublemakers like everyone else!

We only ever see one and he is usually super pleasant! Nothing but rainbows and unicorn farts from that guy.

I ordered a spam hammer but the damn thing shipped from China and I fear is lost.

 

[lou8700]

The only things I have done to my XR are adjustable timing wheel and disconnect the O2 sensors. I have been satisfied with the performance but often thought about getting cam's ect. At over 100,000 miles now I definitely won't be doing it. But if l ever get another low mileage Vic I would do it all asap. Or better yet buy one already done.

How many miles are on your cct and what kind of bike did you have before?