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  1. SPEEDFREAK

    SPEEDFREAK Well-Known Member

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    :bigpop: this site is better than the movies but not the movie popcorn ...hey can I use popcorn oil instead of Victory oil ...oil is oil right might have to change it every 3000 tho,,would my engine make more noise?
     
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    +You may hear popping...
     
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    I didn't read all the posts so I do t know if this has been answered...
    I have worked on many bike motors. And many transmisions at work.
    I have run across a handful of bearings over the years that the balls will slide in the race instead of turning. Research has suggested that 100% synthetic oil is so slippery that it's easier for the balls or rollers in the bearing to slide instead of rolling.
    Now when it comes to bike oil designed for a wet clutch. How can that oil be so slippery to make a ball slide in the bearing but still allow the clutch any amount of friction???? It can't. Not possible... Synthetic oil designed for wet clutch isn't super slippery like synthetic oil designed for non wet clutch applications. That's why it's not rated as having friction modifiers.
    Synthetic oil that meets wet clutch applications can withstand higher heat and more heat cycles. Will hold its API rating longer ect. And in some cases might be a little more slippery than normal non synthetic oil.

    Now on the reverse side. I used Ams oil in my OEM motor and had a bearing in the transmision fail at 40,000 miles.
    Just a unfortunate turn of events......or because of bearing slide?
    Personally I want the best oil for my $ .... I do believe Vic oil is overpriced..
     
  4. El_Spanky

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    Have a friend that owns a bike shop Mainly HD etc.. He has mention several times ROYAL PURPLE is bad or too good they have had bearing failure on bikes that the owners used RP since new.. Just an FYI
     
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    Interesting
    I suppose there could be something in the additive pkg that may cause an issue.

    I found this thread to be very interesting.
    What I have found over the years of pulling gears and replacing bearings is the most common cause of bearing skate is dirt in the oil. Smal particals of dirt ,carbon deposits, and metal flake get cought between the balls and race. The ball can't turn so they slide in the race. When this happens the bearing wears very quickly.
     
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    I just ordered a set of E4s; they'll be here by the 3rd week of April. No kidding; they are for real.
     
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  7. El_Spanky

    El_Spanky Active Member

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    Last week a Dunlop Factory rep stop by the local Yamaha shop I happen to be there. He asked me all sorts of questions about my Victory Vision.. I might also next month.. Let us know if ya like em!!
     
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    For AmsOil users.....If it can be proven that the bearing failures being experienced is due to lubrication failure, AmsOil states in their limited liability warranty that should a failure occur due to lubrication failure, AmsOil will pay for any/all repairs. Great warranty IF it can be proven that the "slipperyness" of their oil is the reason for the bearings failing.
     
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    What is important about oils used in wet clutch applications is a property referred to as "stiction", or the measure of an oil to allow static friction to be maintained vs. dynamic friction to be lessened. An oil being synthetic has nothing to do with the properties that it has; it simply means that the hydrocarbon chain lengths are homogenous throughout the batch. The important property of viscosity is greatly influenced by chain length, and the additive package determines most of the other pertinent properties such as rust and oxidation prevention, anti-foaming, water dispersement and, yes, "stiction". Heat transfer capability is more complex and relies on both viscosity and additives.

    JASO is a testing protocol that is established and licensed to certain testing companies. It establishes, empirically, an oil's "stiction" property that allows a locked-up clutch to transmit torque without slippage. In order for an oil to be "certified" as JASO compliant, it MUST be tested by one of the LISCENSED laboratories; that expensive and why many oils that meet the JASO protocol aren't tested through these labs.

    Input from a degreed tribologist is really needed here.
     
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    Thus no labeling on the bottle. Doesn't mean it's not Jaso compliant. Just means there's no proof ?
     
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    Means they didn't want the expense for it.
     
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    Yep. I thought so. Most people just look at the pictures. If there's a motorcycle on it then it should be good. JASO ...... Shmaso.
     
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    I just looked at an extra bottle of Vic oil I have in the garage, there isn't a picture of a motorcycle on it so now what? SH** man why oh why do you confuse me so.....:D
     
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  14. slickvic

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    Photography and drawings cost more money Vin. It's OK though. Your good cause it says Victory oil on the bottle. Go ahead and use it. Just stay away from the bottles with the little Yellow Sea shell on them. That's for your truck or your tractor. Lol
     
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    Hahaha you're killing me brother.
     

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