Why Victory over Harley?

Discussion in 'Victory General Discussion' started by Taylor7701, Dec 30, 2012.

  1. Taylor7701
    Offline

    Taylor7701 New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2012
    Posts:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Waiuwatos
    Type of Motorcycle Currently Riding:
    Researching motorcycles
    I'm a new rider and have just ridden friends bikes as I've gotten my license. I'm looking to buy a new bike in 2013 and curious why Victory fans like/ love their bikes and why they ultimately bought a Victory over a Harley. I live in Milwaukee so they obviously own this market. Thanks for your insights as I begin my motorcycle journey.
  2. Putter
    Offline

    Putter New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2009
    Posts:
    623
    Likes Received:
    0
    Type of Motorcycle Currently Riding:
    '09 Hammer

    For me it was four main things. The first is a matter of opinion but the other three are hard for anyone to dispute.

    1. Looks
    2. Reliability
    3. Less vibration
    4. it was different. (I wasn't ready to join the herd.)


    But, if you like HD better, go buy it. It's your money.
  3. FlaMike
    Offline

    FlaMike Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2012
    Posts:
    570
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Sarasota
    Type of Motorcycle Currently Riding:
    2013 F6B (mine) 2013 Vegas 8ball (hers)

    Well I've been riding for 35 yrs, owned many bikes, of which 6 were Harleys. I liked my Harleys but never bought into all the lifestyle bs. No company has ever paid me to ride their bikes, so I buy and ride what works for me. A motorcycle is a motorcycle, nothing more or less. You should buy what works for you. If you've "always wanted a Harley' by all means, do it. You might like it, you might not.

    I know that Vic's are far ahead of HD from an engineering standpoint. I can't think of one area that my RoadKing was better than my CrossRoads. But buying a motorcycle is largely an emotional purchase, logic takes a back seat. Maybe in mycase it was a been there, done that kinda thing.


    For me, I really started looking at Vic's when the Visioncame out. Didn't see me buying one, but when the Cross bikes came out I really liked the CR. Windsheild, hardbags and not much else. When they came out with ABS and cruise, and of course, afterthe test ride... I just had to have it. And I don't think I'll miss the Harleys and really don't see me getting another one. But ride what makesYOU happy.
  4. Half_Crazy
    Offline

    Half_Crazy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2008
    Posts:
    4,755
    Likes Received:
    139
    Location:
    Great Mills, MD
    Type of Motorcycle Currently Riding:
    2006 Kingpin

    What is more important to you, the objective or the subjective?

    Subjectively, Harleys are 'cool' and look nice.
    Objectively, the Vics are better engineered, more powerful, have a more competent chassis, and cost usually $1000 less than a comparable HD.
  5. bikerbob
    Offline

    bikerbob Active Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2012
    Posts:
    1,382
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Portage Lakes
    Type of Motorcycle Currently Riding:
    2012 Cross Country Tour

    Go to YouTube and type in Victory vs Harley. There are 5 videos that will answer your question.

    Good luck in what ever you choose.
  6. SRF2665
    Offline

    SRF2665 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2012
    Posts:
    245
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Miamisburg
    Type of Motorcycle Currently Riding:
    V-Star 650 & 2013 XCT co-owner w/Puddlejumper
    1.It was way better balanced than HD, therefore easier and more enjoyable to ride. 2. Bigger more powerful engine. 3. More reliable and better engineering. 4. A very different look than what people expect to see. Draws way more attention than any HD. Ride one and you'll see for yourself. The motto is true. Buy what YOU like though no matter what others say.
  7. 11VICXC
    Offline

    11VICXC Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2011
    Posts:
    349
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Rochester, NY
    Type of Motorcycle Currently Riding:
    11' Cross Country/14' Indian Vintage #953

    2013 Victory Judge vs 2012 Harley Fat Bob


    This article should help as well as the hp/tq comparison dyno chart.
    http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/10/13328/Motorcycle-Article/2013-Victory-Judge-vs-2012-Harley-Fat-Bob.aspx?WT.i_e_dcsvid=536203552

    Here is the comparison dyno chart.
    http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/83375/Motorcycle-Photo-Gallery-Photo/2013-Victory-Judge-Comparison.aspx

    The 2013 Judge was the “King of the Dyno” in this cruiser comparison, putting out 8.15 lb-ft and 17.19 hp more on the DynoJet 200i.

    With an MSRP of $15,349, the 2012 Harley Fat Bob loses the pocket book skirmish as it costs $1,350 more than the base Judge.

    Still, the 2013 Victory Judge handily wins the horsepower battle, will chirp the tires in the first couple of gears, handles sharper than the Fat Bob, and has stronger brakes. Its suspension is dialed in well, too, and it has an edge in the most important categories. Throw in the fact that it has a base sticker price over $1300 less than its Harley counterpart and the Judge edges out the Fat Bob by a slim margin in this cruiser comparison.
  8. firelttim
    Offline

    firelttim New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2012
    Posts:
    4
    Likes Received:
    0
    Type of Motorcycle Currently Riding:
    Victory Vision Tour

    For me I wanted the Harley Road Glide Classic or Ultra. Being 6 feet 7 inches tall with 38 inch arms, I liked the handlebar position and floor boards. However, the wife hated the vibrations on her lumbar from the ultra tour pak. so we tried the classic with a tall sissy bar, same thing, the vibrations caused her legs to get numb within 10 miles.

    We tested the Victory Vision on a demo days, and 10 minutes into the ride, she tapped me on the shoulder saying she was done looking. she'd found the bike that was comfortable for her. we went back and bought it.

    I'd say try them all, and then put all the brands and hype aside, ask yourself which bike did you and whoever is planning on riding with you like the best? for me the Vision came with everything I was going to have to add to a HD standard.

    The other thing I considered was buyer satisfaction. Why is it that every HD dealer has more than 50 used HD's on their lot? are their owners really that disastisfied with them that they spend thousands of dollars to customize them and then trade for a newer HD model, perhaps one with less vibrations or more powerful engine?

    Ride everything you can, rent demo days, etc. then decide which is best for you.
  9. bikendad
    Offline

    bikendad Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2009
    Posts:
    3,515
    Likes Received:
    24
    Type of Motorcycle Currently Riding:
    2010 Victory Cross Country
    Shopped both, got a lot more for my money with the Vic. Higher tech engineering, better suspension, better engine, more power, not good at being a sheeple. Reliability and cost of maintenance/ownership were a big factor for me as well.
  10. Lostintexas
    Offline

    Lostintexas Active Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2012
    Posts:
    1,061
    Likes Received:
    14
    Location:
    Almost East Texas
    Type of Motorcycle Currently Riding:
    Cross Country Tour

    I'm impressed. In a lot of places the dogpile would have already started. The engine is of a more reliable design. I have never been a fan of any pushrod engines. Hd has a track record of lifters and valves going south at a relative low mileage, but many claim to have "never had a problem" so for what that is worth. Ask the mileage for the I've had it for 5 years guys too.
    Cost of ownership and ease of repairs and maintinence are a big thing too. Go to the shops and ask the cost of an oil change, belt replacemant, clutch replacement, starter, and the cost of the 5-10-15-20K service. If you are a DIY'er then the cost would be less for a lot of things, but you get the idea.
    HD has a lot of strong spots, but I wanted something that would deliver 100K with no drama and not costing me a lot to get there.
    Do your research and decide for yourself. Enjoy the ride.
  11. Half_Crazy
    Offline

    Half_Crazy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2008
    Posts:
    4,755
    Likes Received:
    139
    Location:
    Great Mills, MD
    Type of Motorcycle Currently Riding:
    2006 Kingpin
  12. WhiteWolf
    Offline

    WhiteWolf New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2012
    Posts:
    260
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Sidney
    Type of Motorcycle Currently Riding:
    Cross Country Tour

    I could not have said that any better!
  13. Half_Crazy
    Offline

    Half_Crazy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2008
    Posts:
    4,755
    Likes Received:
    139
    Location:
    Great Mills, MD
    Type of Motorcycle Currently Riding:
    2006 Kingpin

    This is funny... No offense, just funny no matter who ya are...




  14. WhiteWolf
    Offline

    WhiteWolf New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2012
    Posts:
    260
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Sidney
    Type of Motorcycle Currently Riding:
    Cross Country Tour

    My opinion is much the same that has already been said.


    * Improved engineering its a newer fresher design that givesimproved horse power and torque.

    * Rider comfort, the chasis is better designed and allows for more range of motion for driver comfort and adjustablility to different sized riders

    * Cost is a little less for what you get

    * Here is a point that is more personal opinion but I enjoy ridingsomething a little different and not being just one of the pack. When I show up on my Vic people seek me out to talkabout it because its different.
  15. Half_Crazy
    Offline

    Half_Crazy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2008
    Posts:
    4,755
    Likes Received:
    139
    Location:
    Great Mills, MD
    Type of Motorcycle Currently Riding:
    2006 Kingpin

    I'm just gonna say it.

    The magazines do comparisons and they marginalize the performance differences. They will say "On the road the performance is about the same" or "the 1/4 mile difference is only half a second" which kills me. If one bike has a dozen more horses and weighs 50 lbs less... that is not insignificant... and a half-second margin of victory at the end of the 1/4 mile is winning by like EIGHTY FIVE FEET.

    The articles usually end with "for our money, we'd buy the Harley" (add some words like "genuine", "mystique" and "heritage").

    If you really read the comparison, the Victory is the clear winner. Lighter, more potent, longer/better qualitysuspension, more rigid chassis, lower seat, more storage, higher carrying capaciry, more room for rider and passener... youname it.

    That said, HD wins on dealer network, available factory and aftermarket accessories... no contest there.
  16. notaharley
    Offline

    notaharley Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2012
    Posts:
    1,710
    Likes Received:
    40
    Location:
    Effingham, NH
    Type of Motorcycle Currently Riding:
    2012 CrossRoads
    I have a real soft spot for HD.... The Sportster is by far their best bike. Mechanically bulletproof. Tons of power, and 55 mpg. Accessories and aftermarket support up the wazoo. Smooth, great handling... But every time you go into the shop, you get harassed-- "when are you gonna' trade up ?". Well, I did..... To a nearly $20,000 bike. Bad year-- 2006. Nothing but trouble. Thousands in repairs. Sick looking bike. Insane paint. All the chrome and awesome sound..... Totally unreliable. Don't be fooled NOTHING looks, sounds or feels like a HD. It's almost like riding a living thing. You grow emotionally attached to it. I test rode some Victorys when my bike was down for repairs and watched the videos and went to the dealer and talked to the mechanics....who had very little to do, apparently. I kept hearing the word "bulletproof". I owned both my WideGlide and my Victory and rode both and found that the HD stayed home looking pretty. The Vic blew the doors off it, and handled so good that I forgot it weighed almost 700 lbs. and nearly got myself in trouble throwing it around in the corners. I live on a dirt road. My HD broke the drive belt from a tiny pebble that bounced up. Check out what it taked to change the belt! Try $1400 at the dealer! That was the last straw.....bye Harley. I still intend on keeping a Sporty around for myself, but my wife is in love with the Vic. Just wish they had decent gear and clothes. I still buy HD clothes/gloves-n-stuff because it's the best. By the way....you can buy a sick-looking Vegas 8-ball that screams and will do 0-60 in 4 seconds with a 1734cc engine for the same price as a 1200 Sportster which is considerably smaller.
  17. abqhudson
    Offline

    abqhudson New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2010
    Posts:
    165
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Albuquerque

    I liked the Albuquerque Victory dealer better than the Harley dealer.
    The Harley motor ran a lot hotter - for me, too hot to ride in the summer.
    My previous Victory Kingpin was extremely reliable.
    The Victory handled better.
    I could make a better deal on the Victory.
    My wife liked the ride on the Victory better.
    My opinion is that the Victory is better for those who intend to put lots of miles on their bike.
    YMMV.
  18. Half_Crazy
    Offline

    Half_Crazy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2008
    Posts:
    4,755
    Likes Received:
    139
    Location:
    Great Mills, MD
    Type of Motorcycle Currently Riding:
    2006 Kingpin

    The most potent Sporty, the XR1200, makes79 horse to the rear tire. Most Sportster 1200smake more like 62 horse. I wouldn't exactly call that tons of power.

    A very old and dear friend of mine has a Sporty that he dropped a ton of 'motor money' in. I meanbig bore, high compression, cams, aftermarket heads that are CNC ported by the pros, huge Mukuni Carb, Dyno time. He went to the track with us once but it didn't go well, so I don't think he'll goagain.
  19. PrometheusVII
    Offline

    PrometheusVII Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2010
    Posts:
    399
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    Type of Motorcycle Currently Riding:
    2010 Cross Country

    I suppose when you consider power (HP/TQ) per pound, the Sporty is pretty good compared to the other HD heavy models. I still can't help but think it's a starter/chick bike.
  20. Half_Crazy
    Offline

    Half_Crazy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2008
    Posts:
    4,755
    Likes Received:
    139
    Location:
    Great Mills, MD
    Type of Motorcycle Currently Riding:
    2006 Kingpin

    I hear it all the time, "Bought the ol' lady a Sportster"... Makes me wannaask, "Why? Do you hate her?". Sportster has a high seat, high CG... not really a good chick bike at all.A Vision has a lower seat than the Sportster 'low'.... Let's face it, the reason they end up as a starter or chick bike is because they are the cheapest Harley and lots of people just gotta havea Harley.Most of the "Harley Couples" don't ride far, so it's not important that it be great bike, all it needs to do is be a Harley.

Share This Page

Search tags for this page
harley vs voctory horsepower
,
reliability harley vs victory
,
victory cross country tour vs harley ultra classic
,
victory motorcycles reliability
,

victory out runs a harley

,
why buy a victory over a harley