Stage 2 - What does this mean?

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    Well this is going to show you exactly how much knowledge I have of motorcycle mechanics, which is not much at all. My previous bike was carburated and I had heard of folks getting after market pipes and air boxes thus requiring a stage 1 or 2 rejet. I have heard that the 2012 Victory cruisers come with a stage 2 kit out of the factory. What does this mean? I don't think my bikes performance and sound is drastically different than an 2011? I had done some "searching" but most of the conversations were between folks that know what they are talking about so not much explanation for the noob. Sorry for the ignorance.
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    First off they come from the factory stock regardless of what the marketing department calls a slightly different cam grind. Stage 1 to me is pipes, air filter and a richer flash or fuel controller. Stage 2 to me is a stage 1 set-up plus aftermarket cams. Stage 3 to me is all of the above and changing the internals of the motor with high compression pistons, big bore, etc..
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    Stage 2 is just a different cam from the factory. I dont believe anything else changes.
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    That's just marketing hype, not what most people consider to be a true stage 2 set-up.
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    He asked about an out of the factory Stage 2. The only difference from the factory is the Stage 2 cams?
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    Are updated cams typically included in what most people call a "stage 2" upgrade? I always associated the stage 1/2 upgrade having to do with exhaust, Air box, jets / fuel programming. This is why I'm confused.
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    Stage 1 is the high flow K&N filter, exhaust and calibration card. Stage 2 is really not a factory option. There is a Stage 2 big bore kit similar to HD. Now to confuse the situation more there is a Stage 1 Level 2 kit that is available for the Vision. It is the same as a Stage 1 with different mufflers.
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    In my world, pipes, air box/filter, fuel programmer or flash are all stage 1 modifications. When you start getting into cams then you've gone stage 2 IMHO. The stage 2 factory cams are hype, not much difference.
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    Back when Vic sold 92" engines it went like this.. S1=pipes, air filter, vented cover, program S2= S1+ big bore 100" cyls, pistons, and a different program When the 100" came stock the S2 was dropped since they were already big bore, but... Then they came out with a cam and intake package, and called it S3 In 08-09 all that was available was different versions of S1, and briefly Vic called the 106 stroker a S2 In 10 Vic started putting the 106" in steel frame bikes, and had a different grind cam they ran as stock and called it a S2. All it really did was move the torque curve up a couple of hundred RPM Everything else is stage nothing. Just a series of aftermarket parts assembled for an engine package to an owners design
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    thank you Don, Biken, and Kevin
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    As it was explained to me, for the 2011s. The stage 2 is the cam put into all 106 engines in the cruiser class, putting out 97hp/113lbs of torque. The stage 1 is the cam put into the 106 engines in the touring class bikes, putting out 94hp.
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    You are basically saying the same thing DSJR stated but I've never heard of anyone "ordering" an XC with a Stage 2. Has anyone on hear heard of it? I can understand the option but just never seen anyone actually do it. I guess the question would be the cost of that option.
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    Just a thought, do people not do it because if they do a cam job they go with Lloydz or S&S cams? Like I said, just a thought.

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