Maybe Im the obsesive here , correct me if im wrong! I can only speak for myself and will but lord tunderen jes7s you guys and or gals going on about these freaken ninjuns, what the sam begesus are ya even here for! Give me back the VOG , does antone remember what the sam hill those letters stand for. I hear all the time when someone make a derogatory statement , screw of and by a HD . Well now Im saying it ! If ya don, t luke the Vic ya got the go get a ninjun but I for one am about done with the hype for an old dog! There must be a forem somwhere besides hd that talks about them, Latly it has been down right anal. Enough already! Im ready for a real bike a real change in design a real modern motercycle thats why I came to Victort and this forum!Thank you!