Advice on best fuel controller for a Vision

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  1. supascape

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    Hello everyone. I am looking for the best fuel controller option for my 2008 Victory Vision. I think that I have narrowed my choices down to the Lloydz gen 3 Victory fuel controller and the DynaJet Power Commander 5. I currently have the Witchdoctor Vision baffled Muscle Muffler installed and I would like to purchase the controller that works well with those particular pipes. My bike rides really well now but I get the occasional pop during deceleration here and there and I would like to get rid ofit as much as possible. My gut says spend the extra money, get the Power Commander with a dyno. However, I am hearing some pretty good things about the less expensive Lloydz. Any advise would be welcome. Thanks in advance.
     
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    Ive had bad luck with Dynojet stuff in the past. I have the VFC3 on my XR and I like it. very easy to install and program. It will do all you need to unless youre planning on major upgrades to the engine.
     
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    VFC works fine even with cams. (That's what KevinX installs at his cam parties.) The only times when you need the PC-V is a big bore kit, or adding gas or induction (turbo/supercharger). The VFC is 1/2 the cost of the Power Commander and is just as easy to program (unless you get the Auto Tune with the PC-V, which costs even more). Some people swear by the PC-V but I don't know why. Personally, I think a dyno tune is unnecessary. When Kevin does cam parties, he doesn't dyno the bikes. In case you don't know, there are 3 major players in the high performace/tuning world of Victory. There's Lloyd Greer (aka the Victory Godfather), Rylan Vos (The Vic Shop) and Kevin Cross (aka KevinX). The latter 2 will do "cam parties" where, assuming you have a total of 4 bikes, he will come to you and install cams, top air filter, VFC and timing wheel, all for around $1450 (including labor).
     
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    Don't forget Kyle Crandall of KMC Powersports in RI. Kyle is a Lloydz certified mechanic and is the guy you will find at all of the bike rallys with his dyno trailer installing Lloydz performance parts. He knows his stuff and is a class act to boot.
     
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    I only sort of forgot Kyle. He's not as much of a big name as the other 3 (lack of advertising?) so I accidentally omitted his name. He needs to get out there more. :)
     
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    Had both, and prefer the PCV. It gives you the ability to add an auto tune module. And I am just not as good with the VFC-III AS I was with jetting carbs. If you are getting a dyno tune, perhaps letting the tuner select will be best. Unless, there is any possibility of future improvements or the attune module in which case do the PCV. Keep in mind that Lloyd has a much better history with replacing bad parts and fixing issues, and Power Commander sells enough units that they will have more bad press ( based on volume of sales) and a more corporate approach to replacement or repair than Lloyd does. Good luck. Kg
     
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    Lloydz certified mechanics:
     
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    I would check with your local tuner and see if he will tune it with the vfc3 I had asked the guy that had tuned my zx14 and he only does power commanders.
     
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    If you like the way it's running be careful not to fix what isn't broke. Lloyd's IAV valve for 77.00 is easy to DIY and reduces popping on decel. But if you're determined to go fuel controller the I would get the VFC-III and with the money saved vs PC-V get the upper intake to go with the VFC. Now you can tune out the popping and tune in some more giddy up.
     
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    Makes no matter, but it looks like Dobeck'does notsell' it's stage 3 and 3.5 units,,, they are sold by Electronic Jet Kit / EJK. Appears Lloyds has an agreement with EJK (or Dobeck) to cover the Victory line. so 'VFC' was born...

    Not familiar with the current generation of Dobeck/EJK/VFC.

    PCV has precision tuning down to a science, but all the science in the world is worth nothing in the hands of an unqualified tuner.PCV can alsotune up to 4 cylinders individually. Nice, if you live and die by .001 seconds,,,

    I went PC III / full Dyno tune on each cylinder with the old VTX. Done by the VTX (and many other bike) Guru Johnny Cheese. Excellent!

    Next bike gotthe O2 version of the Cobra tri-pot, as I didn't need tuning down to a knats a$$, and I could quickly and easily gone back to all OEM for long hauls/mpg. (Bike was 'near-stock')

    So, what does the 'average' rider need for a tuner?Whatever the rider and/oror his tuner/technical advisor(if he has one) are comfortable with.
     
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    Currently running the VFC 3 with my bike. Cams, intake, timing wheel, recored pipes.
    Have my auto tune sitting in a drawer while I wait for the PCV to show up.
    The VFC is fine for raw tuning. It'll do the job, you'll run good, make decent horse power.
    The PCV is more precision tuning, it recognizes front and rear, throttle and rpms.
    The PCV won't necessarily get you more power, what will it do is fine tune your bike to make sure the power delivery is a smooth as possible.
    I've got some burps in mine that I can't seem to get out of with the VFC so I'm trying the PCV and auto tune route.
     
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    You say it runs good and now and then a pop. Un hook your 02 sensores and I'll bet it goes away and you can save the money on a tuner
     
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    All I can tell you is that I visited Lloyd at his shop a few weeks ago for some work and here's how it went down. Told him I wanted his top filter, adjustable timing gear, Idle air valve and either a VFC3 or Power Commander 5 to go along with a set of Ness Big Honkers and a dyno tune on my Vision 8 Ball. The only other option was possibly doing cams next year. Then I let him decide whether to go VFC3 or PC5. He suggested going with the PC5 - so that's what I did and I'm very happy with the results.

    Jim
     
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    Sounds good! I am having cams and pistons along with PC5 with auto tune done now by The Custom Shop here in MD. How do you like the big honkers? I have D&D 's that sound good but I want something louder.
     
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    I'll tell youi that the Big Honkers are not as loud as the D+D's on my TC, but I really like the sound of them when I get on her.
     

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