Running a Ragin Cajun exhaust. Is there a way to fix this, for example getting a PCV and getting it dynoed and remapped. Thinking of getting the Lloyds ATW but not sure if that will help my situation. Or will getting a different exhaust set up help?
My bike got mid 30's until it was well broke in and the mileage went up after adding the timing wheel...added the pcv and dyno tune and it dropped from 42 to 30.
I'm adding cams and will get a better dyno tune and the mileage should go back up. Plug back in your O2's and see if that makes a difference.
I had it set to 6 degrees from the get go (with O2's unplugged), but later turned it down to 4 for the dyno run per Vog suggestion. I was thinking the dyno guy would add it back electronically, but his boss wouldn't let him touch the timing.
I'll have to order that timing wheel tonight then, my mechanic keeps telling me that unplugging my o2 sensors is a bad idea and that it'll cost me more fuel or make the bike run differently....
9 times out of 10 unplugging helps.
Once you have the stock wheel off make sure the threads inside the crank and on the bolt are perfectly cleaned! I use a right angle pick and brake cleaner, and Qtips. If you don't horrible things...horrible. You know you have it right when you can turn the bolt all the way into the crank and remove it with just your finger tips. Then use medium loctite when assembling.
I have the timing wheel, Lloyds air filter, tank lift to draw in more air, under drive pulley, the Lloyd's drop in cams , plus a PCV that's been dyno tuned. The way that I like to ride my bike, my mpg runs usually runs in the low 30's when I ride only on the interstate and at 3,000 rpm's. I get even less than 30 mph too ,when ever I'm testing out mufflers. This mpg average is based on all of the performance mufflers that are now offered for sale that I've installed on my Cross Country.
Good to know I'm not the only one with **** mpg. I'm sure I would get better if slower drove slower and less aggressive, but where is the fun in that. I know that theses bikes do get better mpg as the miles get put on; that's what happened with my 2013. The only issue I'm having with my 2015 is the fuel light comes after using a little less then 4 gals vs my 2013 it was 4.5 used before the fuel light came on. On my 2015 I have VicBaggers 2 into 1 exhaust, K&N Filter, timing wheel set to +4, and VFC III. I have under 2k on my 2015 right now and averaging 32.9 mpg.
Good to know I'm not the only one with **** mpg. I'm sure I would get better if slower drove slower and less aggressive, but where is the fun in that. I know that theses bikes do get better mpg as the miles get put on; that's what happened with my 2013. The only issue I'm having with my 2015 is the fuel light comes after using a little less then 4 gals vs my 2013 it was 4.5 used before the fuel light came on. On my 2015 I have VicBaggers 2 into 1 exhaust, K&N Filter, timing wheel set to +4, and VFC III. I have under 2k on my 2015 right now and averaging 32.9 mpg.
Take your bike to a good victory dealership , or better yet , one of the top victory mechanic's that frequent this forum. Then have your gas gauge sensor reset. My light used to come on when I had ridden only 136 miles. I would then refill the gas tank and put over two gallions back into the tank. After I had my gas sensor reset , I've ridden 218 miles and was down to the red marks on a dash gauge.
2015 XC 6000 miles. Llyodz HPT cams, timing wheel, hi flow filter, PCV and dyno tuned. Averaged 28.967 MPG over the last 1,124 miles. Like @jwfuchs1 said "I'm sure I would get better if I drove slower and less aggressive, but where is the fun in that." My miles are probably evenly split between city and highway. Going down to Deals Gap @ the end of the month so I will be able to get a good feel for my highway mpg (it's ~8hrs of highway)
Thanks @slej and @jwfuchs1 and of course @Dnewman thats what I needed to see, my timing gear and air filter are hours away from being delivered so I can't wait!
I get much better gas mileage when I'm riding at 35 mph through country towns, 45-60 mph on the country back roads , but not when I'm riding at a constant speed of 80 mph and 3,000 rpm's with the under drive pulley.
It comes down to the balance of the trade-off. You need fuel to make HP. Increasing airflow in (filter) and increasing exit flow (pipes) simply means to balance the system more fuel must be added (controller) so the economy suffers. I'll take the large increase in smiles per miles.
I typically get 17km/ltr which is 40USmpg. (48UK mpg)
This is interstate freeway 70mph over 500mile days
Going slower certainly helps mileage, 50mph (80kmh) gives 21km/l which is 49 USmpg
Bike is totally stock XCT, incl stock large screen, two up with luggage.
I know of one who has more power than he ever needs and get in the mid 40s and another with a similar setup that can break 30. Humm machine or rider?
Your modifications, what was/is the build goal? Power or mileage? If you build in an incremental fashion your performance will suffer thru the build until finished. Build plan? This is necessary to get to they goal. without a plan you can be throwing parts at your machine that actually hurt the overall performance. Short open exhaust systems are designed for high flow at high volume, i.e. wide open throttle. These do not run well in "normal" riding mode. Intake ? Cams? tuning? Most put pipes on because they either look cool or are loud, but what about performance and efficiency? Efficiency? yes if the motor run well and efficiently you will get the most performance out of the level of build.
Riding style, are you a low gear high RPM type or a high gear low RPM type? The 106 motor will run below 3000rpm all day long if tuned right. Short sifting or 4500 rpm shifts? Short hops or long runs? you mentioned 3000 RPM down the highway, that is about 80 MPH. while it may sound good you are pushing lot of air at the speed and to do that requires a lot of fuel.
Balance the motor air in, internal management (cams and tuning), air out. try talking to Rylan Voss, Lloyd Greer, Kevin X, or Kyle Crandall for some idea on how to get a few more MPG out of it.
Sharing: bought a new 2011 CC. Put 96,500 miles before trading for a new 2015 CCT. So I have some experience with this motor. 120 miles round trip, year round.
At 1000 miles on 2015 CCT, installed the following:
Power Commander V, Raging Cajun Rippers, Lloydz Adjustable Timing System, Lloydz XC/XR Hi-Flow Air Filter, disconnected O2 Sensors, no Dyno yet. Fuel mileage went down by almost half and stayed down?
At 14,500 miles, decided to re-connect the O2 Sensors. Damn, fuel mileage went back up.
Now I cannot give you figures, but, I am constantly monitoring where the fuel tank needle lands. Fuel mileage increased by a 1/3 of a tank?
P.S. no change in engine performance.
Generally WITH the 02 sensors in you're gonna get better fuel economy.. that's because the bike is going to run leaner.. you're also gonna get a lot less power that way. It's POSSIBLE to get really good fuel mileage out of a bike with some mods, like intake and fuel controller/cams and timing wheel, but you have to drive like a granny to do it.
Yes, I am aware of all that.
That is why I stated earlier that I feel no change in engine performance.
Out of the 120 mile ride, 110 of that is highway. Ride between 80 and 90 miles per hour.
No change in engine behavior/response and increased fuel mileage?
Woops, ran out of gas for the first time yesterday...
Was late to golf and showed 137km left, so thought I'd be safe for 85km to get there, which I was. On the return trip, of course no gas stations close so rather than detour I tried for one back up the route and ran 6km shy. Fortunately a golfing buddy was following and took me to a gas station and back. Gas station ripped me off $24 for an empty plastic 5ltr gas can, but at least I didn't have to walk!!
Engine restarted 1st crank so that was good.
I now know I have about 117km left (at 100kmh) when the readout says 137, and no I won't be trying that again..
I maybe talking out of my a**, but I have heard that victorys can be driven at lower rpm's than other brands. So with that in mind maybe if you still have more gears you need to run in a higher gear. If you are already in. 6th gear then I'll just shut up. Lol. I have an older Vegas and it's only a 5 speed but over 40 mph I'm really reaching for 5th gear and over 50 always 5th gear. Riding to much in 4th gear really lowers my gas milage. I would think the same sinnario applies with 5th and 6th in the 6 speed bikes.
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